KEEPING G THE LAW -is not an OPTION!

[Brother Bob]

James, chapter 1

"13": Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:


Dustin;

2 Peter, chapter 3
"9": The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[Dustin]

From the verse in James I reply with the very next one: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of HIS OWN LUST, and enticed. (KJV)

God doesn't tempt us, our wicked nature caused by Adam and Eve's sin is enough to deserve us damnation.

Romans 3:10 - 18 (KJV)

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.


If we are all dead in sin, then how can we turn to God? We don't choose God, God chooses us, so that none of the glory is taken from God.

In 2 peter, who is the letter written/directed to? The Church. It doesn't say He is longsuffering toward the world. If He was not willing that any should perish none would go to hell! Peter is speaking to the Church, the elect.


Jesus supports this doctrine in John 17.

 

[Dustin]

Before you all lynch me, tell me, what kind of glory would God get if He wanted NONE to perish but MOST go to hell?

 

[D28guy]

Claudia,

"Mike,

At this point,I just feel like taking my hammer and bonking you over the head with it

[]------ Bonk!!

I realize that isnt very theological, but today, it works for me


Claudia"

No problem at all! When we are forced to think "out of the box" in relation to what we are used to, it can cause that reaction.

The scriptures I'm posting are just the "tip of the iceberg" as they say. This is such an important truth, and God presents it so clearly.

Just read the scriptures *prayerfully*, with an attitude of "God, open my eyes to this if its true", and wonderful things will happen.

"2:9
But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." F5

2:10
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

2:11
For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

2:13
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy F6 Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Also, remember that scripture must fit together like a hand in a glove. God doesnt contradict Himself.


Grace and peace,

Mike

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by D28guy:
Claudia,

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />"Mike,

At this point,I just feel like taking my hammer and bonking you over the head with it

[]------ Bonk!!

I realize that isnt very theological, but today, it works for me


Claudia"

No problem at all! When we are forced to think "out of the box" in relation to what we are used to, it can cause that reaction.

The scriptures I'm posting are just the "tip of the iceberg" as they say. This is such an important truth, and God presents it so clearly.

Just read the scriptures *prayerfully*, with an attitude of "God, open my eyes to this if its true", and wonderful things will happen.

"2:9
But as it is written: "Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him." F5

2:10
But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

2:11
For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

2:13
These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy F6 Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."

Also, remember that scripture must fit together like a hand in a glove. God doesnt contradict Himself.


Grace and peace,

Mike </font>[/QUOTE]not really, Mike, I just cant see why you dont realize some things... of course though, Im sure you feel the same way about me soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Brother Bob]

That is a far cry from God willeth adultery to man being tempted of lust.

I don't understand the question about God getting Glory over a few going to Heaven and most being lost for that is how it going to be anyway but it not God's will.

Joshua, chapter 24

"15": And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

[ May 10, 2006, 07:09 PM: Message edited by: Brother Bob ]

 

[Dustin]

If it's not God's will, it wouldn't happen.

 

[Brother Bob]

John, chapter 12

"29": The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him.

"30": Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes.

"31": Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

"32": And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

"33": This he said, signifying what death he should die.

"34": The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?

"35": Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

"36": While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.

 

[Dustin]

Exodus 33:17-19 (KJV)

17And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.

18And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.

19And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.

 

[Brother Bob]

Agree, It takes the Lord to save anyone, we can't save ourselves. He certainly had mercy on me. I feel I could of stayed in sin if I chose to but I didn't. I chose to serve the Lord for I came to the point of death and knew that if I died I was going to hell. The doctors told my family my life was over and I would not live through the night and I was like Hezekia, I cried mightly unto the Lord and He heard my cries and came into my heart even though I had nothing to offer except my body as a living sacrifice which was nothing for it was dying. God is good.

I don't think we are too different from each other on our beliefs. We both believe in Christ and the saving of our soul through His blood and have confess with our mouths and believed in our hearts that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Blessings,
BBob

 

[gekko]

2 Peter, chapter 3
"9": The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. "

dustin. if people going to hell was not Gods will (which it isn't) then everybody would go to heaven.

not everybody is going to heaven.
people have a choice. not everybody's choice is God's will.

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by Dustin:
If it's not God's will, it wouldn't happen.

How can this be true:

If it's not God's will, it wouldn't happen.

..when Jesus said, "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." Mt:7:21

 

[Dustin]

Agreed Bob.


God Bless,
Dustin

 

[Dustin]

Before God makes a change in our hearts, what choice can a vessel dead in sin make but to sin? If God doesn't change our hearts, we cannot make a choice for God. "As it is written: there is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God."


The offer of the Gospel is universal, but Jesus also said "He who has ears, let him hear."

John 17:9 (NKJV) I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.

Not those who made a choice, but those who God gave Christ, because they are God's.

 

[gekko]

sorry... i didn't word that right... about God's will and that...


i'll think over how to reword that...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by gekko:
sorry... i didn't word that right... about God's will and that...


i'll think over how to reword that...

I only know I'm saved by grace. I like everybody else deserve to be extinguished in hell - for exactly dishonouring and disgracing God and His love towards us. So if everybody went to hell for ever - for ever because God and his love are so infinite, but scorned and rejected - He would be honoured and glorified greatly by it.
Now comes grace - that one ununderstandable thing. Yet we proud ones won't give God the honour or glory to save whom He wills. That is enough to throw us back into hell for ever, because so dishonouring to God. Therefore again, even if everybody was thrown in eternal blazes, God would be honoured and glorified forever exactly thereby. How amazing therefore are His love and mercy that some miserable undeserving worms shall be saved, and He be honoured and glorified even more!

 

[Claudia_T]

What a terrible distortion of God's loving character that He delights in torturing His creatures forever in Hell.

 

[Dustin]

It's not a terrible distortion..it's biblical. The righteous judgement of the wicked brings glory to God. like Gerhard said, we all DESERVE hell, but God in His grace has mercy on whom He will.

 

[Brother Bob]

Scripture please?

 

[Dustin]

well for one..
Proverbs 16:4 (NKJV) The Lord has made all for Himself, yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.