KEEPING G THE LAW -is not an OPTION!

Mike,


I think that in Romans 2 it is referring to the fact that they boasted in the law but didnt really keep it like they should have done.


In Romans 3 it yes, talks all about being justified by faith... we know everyone is condemned under the law... everyone has fallen short of it, etc..

I of course agree with that..

But I guess it seems like you dont take the next step in the whole thing...

Meaning it seems like you dont think after that, when we are all condemned by the law that then we die or are slain by it, then we are free to "marry" Jesus when our old man of sin dies... and Jesus then fills us with His Spirit, enabling us to then keep the Law.

Thats where it doesnt seem like lots of people continue on with this entire process.

See. in Galatians chapter 5 it explains what I mean…

Galatians 5:
13: For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14: For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
15: But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
16: This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17: For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18: But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19: Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20: Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24: And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

Do you understand now that when we crucify our sin,,, crucify the flesh... and begin walking in the Spririt... producing the fruits of the Spirit (love, defined in the Bible as the ten commandments -Romans 13:8-10) - that THEN we are no longer "Under the CONDEMNATION OF that law"? Why? because... Galatians 5 verse 22: But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23: Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

There IS NO LAW against love! Love IS the Law, the Law IS love! so when we begin keeping the law, THEN we are no longer "under the condemnation of the law of sin and death" you see? Why? BECAUSE WE ARE NO LONGER VIOLATING THAT LAW!


And now you might say, "But we are under the new covenant now, and thus we no longer are expected to keep God's ten commandment law!" Do you feel this way? ...if so, then you are misunderstanding the old and new covenants!

The terms of the old covenant were, Obey and live: "If a man do, he shall even live in them" (Ezekiel 20:11; Leviticus 18:5); but "cursed be he that confirmeth not all the words of this law to do them." Deuteronomy 27:26.

But the new covenant was established upon "better promises"--the promise of forgiveness of sins and of the grace of God to renew the heart and bring it into harmony with the principles of God's law.

"This shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts . . . . I will forgive their iniquity, and will remember their sin no more." Jeremiah 31:33, 34.

Hebrews 8:
6: But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
7: For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8: For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10: For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people

 

See, it seems like to me that alot of you guys dont carry this thing through the entire process...


the whole thing of the law and the gospel is to end up fulfilling the righteousness of Christ in you.. LITERALLY...

Not just a covering but also actually doing the righteousness of Christ...


see how this says you are only righteous if you DO righteousness???

1Jn:3:7: Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


Now Mike, I dont know you all that well so maybe I just misunderstand you... but it just appears to me you stop at a certain point in this entire process and dont carry it through to its completion and what the law and the gospel were meant to do in the believer.

Claudia

 

yeah and what this means is misunderstood by lots of people because the first "husband" is US, ME, YOU... our old sinful self. We are married to it and cant get out of it. we sin and are condemned over and over like Paul when he couldnt get out of that vicious cycle.

The only way out of this marriage is for the first husband to DIE.

You die to self, and marry Jesus, then He fills you with His Spirit and you walk in "newness of life... keeping the fruits of the Spirit and "against such there is no law" ... no more law to condemn you!! why? because NOW YOU ARE KEEPING THE LAW THROUGH THE SPIRIT!!

Thats what people dont seem to get here.


7:2
For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband.

7:3
So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.

7:4
Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.

7:5
For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.

7:6
But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter."

 

gekko,

I used to do that too, I would look at the Bible and the Law of God and see the many things we are supposed to be doing or not doing.

And I'd get so discouraged. Then I found myself wanting to just hang on those Bible verses that seemed to say that we dont have to do anything "just believe".

It had to do with three things, really,

1.I didnt have confidence in myself to be able to do KNOW HOW to do it.

2. I really didnt believe God could help me to do it.


3. I didnt know WHAT to do, or have confidence God would show me what all I needed to be doing or not doing.


FINALLY, I realized some things though.


I realized I didnt really have faith at all in God.

GOD could show me EVERY SINGLE THING that He wanted me to do or stop doing, out of His Word.


GOD could give me power to overcome every sin.

GOD could show me HOW TO overcome by faith in His power.


You see, though I thought I was living by faith, I really didnt even have any real faith at all.


I wasnt believing in God at all. I was looking at what I, Claudia, couldnt do.


Consequently I had twisted the Scriptures around to accomodate my own lack of trust in God's ability and willingness to help me.

Not only that, but I was afraid of what all such a surrender to God would involve and so wished to avoid it. Of course I didnt admit that to myself however. I instead conviced myself I didnt HAVE TO do it. "All I need is faith", I'd tell myself.


I also didnt realize the deception Satan was playing on me, by making me not realize that SIN IS DESTRUCTIVE AND HURTS US...

You see, God gives us rules to PROTECT US. Satan tries to convince us we are having to give up something that would make us happy. But any time we break any of God's rules it causes us misery, if not now, then later. God loves us. Just as an earthly parent makes rules to protect their children, so does our heavenly Father do the same for us.


Prov:29:18: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Ps:119:165: Great peace have they which love thy law

Ps:40:8: I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.


Do you think that is any different today?

Sin never brings happiness. People can talk of so-called "liberty" while living in sin but its all a huge lie thought up by the mind of Satan.


Keeping God's Law brings true liberty, and thats why Jesus Himself said:


Jn:8:32-36:
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.


Satan wants to keep us as bound up slaves of sin. While he deceives people into thinking they need to be free of the law, instead.

While they're singin' "Free From The Law, O Happy Condition" ... Satan's laughing at them on their Road to Perdition.

Why anybody would want to continue on in sin... continue on in the very thing that nailed our Saviour to a Cross... is beyond me.

Instead of dying to self daily like the Apostle Paul said, instead of crucifying self, they'd rather crucify Jesus afresh...

Heb:6:4-6

"For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."


Claudia

[ May 09, 2006, 11:10 PM: Message edited by: Claudia_T ]