Killed for selling cigarettes

[Bro. Curtis]

This guy was trying to make a few pennies and ended up dead and yet bankers have taken millions from people [remember the disaster in 2008] and not one was arrested for malpractice ... much less killed.

LOL. Yeah. Democrats fought tooth and nail to stonewall investigating FM & FM, and conservatives spoke out against the banking debacle. The Tea party you so willfully and gleefully slander formed itself when Bush was bailing out the banks. It was your guy that stopped that investigation, as well. I'd love for a whole lot of people to be in the slammer over that one. You should start a thread on that, and leave out the pabulum.

 

[Zaac]

Let's add in #4 - He was not choked to death.

He didn't have to be choked to death. But he was alive and breathing just fine before he was choked.

 

[Salty]

He didn't have to be choked to death. But he was alive and breathing just fine before he was choked.

as well as resisting arrest. He made a choice.
Choked - yes ---- Choked to death - NO.

 

[Crabtownboy]

as well as resisting arrest. He made a choice.
Choked - yes ---- Choked to death - NO.

Salty, I am curious, have you watched the video? I see nothing in anything he did that I would consider resisting arrest. He did nothing threatening toward the police officers. Surely they could have had a bit more patience and talked to him longer. While he was on the ground he said twice, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

 

[Sapper Woody]

Salty, I am curious, have you watched the video? I see nothing in anything he did that I would consider resisting arrest. He did nothing threatening toward the police officers. Surely they could have had a bit more patience and talked to him longer. While he was on the ground he said twice, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

Police are not supposed to have patience. If you do not comply, they are to take action. To not do so it's a slippery slope that undermines their position.

 

[Revmitchell]

Police are not supposed to have patience. If you do not comply, they are to take action. To not do so it's a slippery slope that undermines their position.

It also undermines their safety. Given that he had 31 prior arrests he was a bigger risk.

 

[Rippon]

Salty, I am curious, have you watched the video? I see nothing in anything he did that I would consider resisting arrest. He did nothing threatening toward the police officers. Surely they could have had a bit more patience and talked to him longer. While he was on the ground he said twice, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe."

The witnesses for the Grand Jury saw much more than what the video displayed. Remember there were things that happened beforehand.

And I believe he resisted the police at least twice before they "contained" him.

 

[Zaac]

as well as resisting arrest.

There you go telling that tale again. Show where he was placed under arrest or tole that he was being placed under arrest.

He made a choice.

Yes he made a choice to not be handled like he was on a slave plantation with no rights.

Choked - yes ---- Choked to death - NO.

KILLED. Yes.

 

[Zaac]

Police are not supposed to have patience. If you do not comply, they are to take action. To not do so it's a slippery slope that undermines their position.

And there yall go again with this comply crap. He wasn't doing anything so why would he need to comply?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

It also undermines their safety. Given that he had 31 prior arrests he was a bigger risk.

His priors include assault. My guess is the police knew him already.


31 arrests is a lot of them. That's career criminal stuff.

 

[carpro]

Salty, I am curious, have you watched the video? I see nothing in anything he did that I would consider resisting arrest. "

Then you had your eyes open but weren't looking...or listening.

 

[Zaac]

His priors include assault. My guess is the police knew him already.


31 arrests is a lot of them. That's career criminal stuff.

And here we go again with this socially constructed astigmatism.

Rationalize the event, defend the shooter, trash the dead with blatantly racially prejudiced rhetoric and imagery, and then deny that the incident or one’s own response to it had anything to do with race.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Then you had your eyes open but weren't looking...or listening.

I think they have Blinkers (horse tack).....don't want to be distracted by reality.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Then you had your eyes open but weren't looking...or listening.

I certainly would not be afraid of a man who did as this fellow did in the video. Nothing threatening about him. Just excessive force.

After all the coroner said it was homicide.

Does anyone know what the racial makeup of the grand jury was?

 

[Revmitchell]

Someone does not know the meaning of excessive force. It is being used loosely in this thread to further a political agenda.


Fact: it is a tragedy that this man died

Fact: this man had 31 prior arrests

Fact: This man was engaging in illegal activity (stupid as it was)

Fact: This man refused to submit to arrest

Fact: The means to effect the arrest was appropriate and under direct supervision by the Sergeant in charge which was a black female.

As former law enforcement and having sat through countless hours on use of force training I saw nothing excessive in the video.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Someone does not know the meaning of excessive force. It is being used loosely in this thread to further a political agenda.


Fact: it is a tragedy that this man died'

Yes it was a tragedy

Fact: this man had 31 prior arrests

Are you saying he deserved to die because of previous arrests? Your statement is a red herring and does not apply to the actions in this case.

Fact: This man was engaging in illegal activity (stupid as it was)

Does that justify choking him?

Fact: This man refused to submit to arrest

Watching the video he was not given time to comply. He did nothing threatening.

Fact: The means to effect the arrest was appropriate and under direct supervision by the Sergeant in charge which was a black female.

No one says the arrest was improper. The chocking of a man resulting in his death is inappropriate. He was unarmed. He did not threaten the officers. His hands were up. He said twice, "I can't breathe, I can't breathe", and yet his statement was ignored by the police and they are responsible for this death.

As former law enforcement and having sat through countless hours on use of force training I saw nothing excessive in the video.

Your interpretation ... which I believe is completely biased and wrong.

 

[poncho]

It also undermines their safety. Given that he had 31 prior arrests he was a bigger risk.

And no one thought to bring a taser? C'mon. There's other ways of subduing a person besides using a banned choke hold. Or 8 cops firing 47 bullets at 1 guy with a little knife.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And here we go again with this socially constructed astigmatism.

And there you are saying I rationalized anything.

And since you started by fibbing I think I can rationalize ignoring the rest of your post.

 

[Revmitchell]

Your interpretation ... which I believe is completely biased and wrong.

How many hours of training in use of force definition and techniques have you obtained?

 

[poncho]

The people want justice, and they need justice. And the police are supposed to be protecting their civil rights

Why would a kid in the inner city call a cop? When I was growing up, my mother would say "Any problem, call a cop." He would show up and assess the problem, and you wouldn't become the victim.

I want to be clear. I'm not talking about all police. There are plenty of good police, and I hear from them on a daily basis.

But the police are becoming our enemy, and society is becoming the enemy of the police.

Somebody with clear, objective and impartial thinking needs to come to their senses and find a solution.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/serpico-wedge-driven-police-society-article-1.2034651