Killing Calvinism: How to Destroy a Perfectly Good Theology from the Inside

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Then there is no such thing as an "unbeliever" according to your pov, there are even those who believe in Evolution (Atheist for example). Your are being ridiculous and I "believe" you know this. We are commanded to preach and persuade men, we have no idea who are the elect and when the bible speaks of "unbelievers" it is specifically speaking of those who do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ. Matters not what ever else they believe in. Paul was an "unbeliever" for many years before Jesus Christ stopped him in his murderous tracks.

Seriously....are you that dense. 1st don't make assumptions
about my statements....cause your wrong. Paul believed in a false and corrupt religion. Not in The True God. So how did he believe.....falsify! Christ tells you that nothing could ever make these type believe in Him. The only hope for them is a direct intervention......and I'm not Christ.

 

[webdog]

When people are not sitting under a God called man in a solid Nt church, they drift into strange ideas.getting teaching second hand and hiding behind others does not produce good fruit.....:thumbsup:


12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer,

and a persecutor,

and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because .......I did it ignorantly in unbelief.:wavey:

Full moon?

Rippon agreed 100% with a Steaver post.

I agree 100% with an IC post.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When people are not sitting under a God called man in a solid Nt church, they drift into strange ideas.getting teaching second hand and hiding behind others does not produce good fruit.....:thumbsup:


12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer,

and a persecutor,

and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because .......I did it ignorantly in unbelief.:wavey:

Ah yea.....I don't sit under Calvinist or arminians.....you got that right. My instructions come from others......some that you have maligned on this board.....stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ah yea.....I don't sit under Calvinist or arminians.....you got that right. My instructions come from others......some that you have maligned on this board.....stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

yeah looks like you don't sit under anyone and that's an issue

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

yeah looks like you don't sit on the anyone and that's an issue

You mean Calvinistic-ally? Then no I do not. Do you mean Arminian, then no I do not, do you mean Pelegian, then No I do not, Do you mean RCC, then no I do not, do you mean Southern Baptist then no I do not. I reject all that are in error.

Now do you mean "Old School Baptist" There I have many that instruct me.....very Godly people--- Both living and dead. And lets not forget about the Holy Spirit....I consult with him every day. But how dare you say that I do not receive instruction....who are you to judge & criticize? And do you perform that task well! You may as well take it up with me as the others in my group have recognized you for what you are and basically abandoned having anything to do with you.....and I'm just speaking for the Hard Shells amongst us....with the Armanians & Non-Cals, the list is very long.

 

[Iconoclast]

You mean Calvinistic-ally? Then no I do not. Do you mean Arminian, then no I do not, do you mean Pelegian, then No I do not, Do you mean RCC, then no I do not, do you mean Southern Baptist then no I do not. I reject all that are in error.

Now do you mean "Old School Baptist" There I have many that instruct me.....very Godly people--- Both living and dead. And lets not forget about the Holy Spirit....I consult with him every day. But how dare you say that I do not receive instruction....who are you to judge & criticize? And do you perform that task well! You may as well take it up with me as the others in my group have recognized you for what you are and basically abandoned having anything to do with you.....and I'm just speaking for the Hard Shells amongst us....with the Armanians & Non-Cals, the list is very long.

you do not sit under anyone as in Hebrews 13 7 about obey them that rule over you.
hide behind this whole old school nonsense you don't even know what you believe you hide behind those man to take a stand and yet you claim you get instruction from the Holy Spirit is that why so many of your posts are full of potty mouth language

 

[Iconoclast]

you do not sit under anyone as in Hebrews 13 7 about obey them that rule over you.
hide behind this whole old school nonsense you don't even know what you believe you hide behind those man to take a stand and yet you claim you get instruction from the Holy Spirit is that why so many of your posts are full of potty mouth language

the reason theystopped answering is i exposed them as hyper cals

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

the reason theystopped answering is i exposed them as hyper cals

Oh yea ....we will see about that. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Thousand Hills]

Full moon?

Rippon agreed 100% with a Steaver post.

I agree 100% with an IC post.

yep, this has been a strange thread for sure.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

you do not sit under anyone as in Hebrews 13 7 about obey them that rule over you.
hide behind this whole old school nonsense you don't even know what you believe you hide behind those man to take a stand and yet you claim you get instruction from the Holy Spirit is that why so many of your posts are full of potty mouth language

Is that all you got....you are outa bullets:laugh:

 

[Iconoclast]

Is that all you got....you are outa bullets:laugh:

I do not need any more bullets post 64 hit the bull's eye you are dead in the water the fact that web dog agreed with me n RM shows that I have two or three witnesses to confirm the hit

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I do not need any more bullets post 64 hit the bull's eye you are dead in the water the fact that web dog agreed with me n RM shows that I have two or three witnesses to confirm the hit

:laugh::laugh::laugh: And you call that an accomplishment?!? Thats funny!

DUD!

 

[Iconoclast]

:laugh::laugh::laugh: And you call that an accomplishment?!? Thats funny!

DUD!

I am more confident that they are obeying God in both service in a local church, and serving the Lord seeking to evangelize the lost than you are.

Neither webdog or RM would write off a professed atheist as you say you would. I am confident that atheist would hear the gospel from them.:thumbsup:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am more confident that they are obeying God in both service in a local church, and serving the Lord seeking to evangelize the lost than you are.

Neither webdog or RM would write off a professed atheist as you say you would. I am confident that atheist would hear the gospel from them.:thumbsup:

Have ya tried...have they...corse ya cant speak for them right. Corse they ain't calvies either.BTW ....I don't care and thank God I ain't either. So stick that in your pipe and smoke it. Ha ha ha ha

 

[convicted1]

Brother Steve,


I post this with all sincerity, and not looking to call you out in a vile manner, but approach you in humbleness of spirit and of love.


I find it rather odd that you'd rather witness and fellowship at a pub than at a local church. I understand that you're in a dilemma and that no churches suit all of your ideaologies. But there isn't one church out there that will meet any of our beliefs wholly. Even before my change from free will to free grace, I found things at my home church I didn't agree with. There's an old saying, "eat the meat and spit out the bones", and that applies here. We gain strength spiritually when we're at church. That's where we get our biggest and best spiritual meal. If you don't get your feet under that table, you'll eventually grow extremely spiritually weak. I know what I'm talking about. I have had to miss church these last two weeks and I am so hungry for a meal, that saturday evening can't get here fast enough. I get weak in the world, and have to be fed that heavenly manna in a good worship service. Sure, God blesses us with "snacks" along the way when He blesses us, but you have to get a substained meal to get true meat, and with meat, we gain strength.

Please, do not take this as me coming at you "sideways". I am just giving you my opinion(s). But you need to try find a church that best suits you. If you will search long and hard enough, God will bless you with one to work in.




Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as a custom of certain [is], but exhorting, and so much the more as ye see the day coming nigh.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Brother Steve,


I post this with all sincerity, and not looking to call you out in a vile manner, but approach you in humbleness of spirit and of love.


I find it rather odd that you'd rather witness and fellowship at a pub than at a local church. I understand that you're in a dilemma and that no churches suit all of your ideaologies. But there isn't one church out there that will meet any of our beliefs wholly. Even before my change from free will to free grace, I found things at my home church I didn't agree with. There's an old saying, "eat the meat and spit out the bones", and that applies here. We gain strength spiritually when we're at church. That's where we get our biggest and best spiritual meal. If you don't get your feet under that table, you'll eventually grow extremely spiritually weak. I know what I'm talking about. I have had to miss church these last two weeks and I am so hungry for a meal, that saturday evening can't get here fast enough. I get weak in the world, and have to be fed that heavenly manna in a good worship service. Sure, God blesses us with "snacks" along the way when He blesses us, but you have to get a substained meal to get true meat, and with meat, we gain strength.

Please, do not take this as me coming at you "sideways". I am just giving you my opinion(s). But you need to try find a church that best suits you. If you will search long and hard enough, God will bless you with one to work in.




Hebrews 10:25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as a custom of certain [is], but exhorting, and so much the more as ye see the day coming nigh.

Granted.... when I find an old school church in NJ, within 50 miles of my home, then I will join it. See, that's what I am. I'm not getting polluted by the beliefs of Calvinists or Arminians. Fact is, I'm realizing (just like my fellow old schoolers), that I shouldn't be here. Thats becomming abundantly evident.

 

[convicted1]

Granted.... when I find an old school church in NJ, within 50 miles of my home, then I will join it. See, that's what I am. I'm not getting polluted by the beliefs of Calvinists or Arminians. Fact is, I'm realizing (just like my fellow old schoolers), that I shouldn't be here. Thats becomming abundantly evident.

And Brother, what happens if no Old School Baptist church formulates? Then what? Every true blood bought christian needs a church to work in, imo.


Look, there are no "five point" churches in my area, and eventhough I disagree with a lot of what my Brothers and Sisters believe, I still love my home church. The closest "Old School" ORB church is ~65-70 miles from my house. There are no Calvinistic churches in my area. There are FWBs, UBs, ORBs(the UBs and ORBs in my area hold to free will), FBC, CoC, CoG, but nothing in the Calvinistic theology.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

And Brother, what happens if no Old School Baptist church formulates? Then what? Every true blood bought christian needs a church to work in, imo.


Look, there are no "five point" churches in my area, and eventhough I disagree with a lot of what my Brothers and Sisters believe, I still love my home church. The closest "Old School" ORB church is ~65-70 miles from my house. There are no Calvinistic churches in my area. There are FWBs, UBs, ORBs(the UBs and ORBs in my area hold to free will), FBC, CoC, CoG, but nothing in the Calvinistic theology.

And your point is?

 

[convicted1]

And your point is?

My point is this...if you're looking for the perfect church, one that suits you to a tee, then you'll never find it...it doesn't exist. Even amongst the Old School baptists, they will have their disagreements....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

My point is this...if you're looking for the perfect church, one that suits you to a tee, then you'll never find it...it doesn't exist. Even amongst the Old School baptists, they will have their disagreements....

But I have a perfect church now....one devoid of Calvinists and Arminians.