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Logos1560

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I am sure you would agree that the KJV translators were among the greatest scholars the world has ever known, and many of them were true men of God. ...

Can you demonstrate that the KJV translators who believed the Church of England's doctrine of baptismal regeneration and who persecuted people for their beliefs were "true men of God"

Should you blindly accept all their Church of England doctrines as you blindly accept all their inconsistent textual criticism decisions and translation decisions?
 

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Can you demonstrate that the KJV translators who believed the Church of England's doctrine of baptismal regeneration and who persecuted people for their beliefs were "true men of God"

Should you blindly accept all their Church of England doctrines as you blindly accept all their inconsistent textual criticism decisions and translation decisions?
Not to mention the translators who were members of the Star Chamber or Court of High Commission.
 
Continuing the discussion (this post, brother, warrants exploration).


Don't get me wrong. I love the KJV translation. I do believe God's Word is perfectly preserved (in the KJV, the NKJV, the NIV, ESV, ect) even though the translations differ. You may ask how this is possible, since each has made different translation choices and not all use the same sources. The reason I can say this is we have to remember these are translations. They point us to a source text.

When we study translated literature we consider the source text. We consider the translators choices. We look at various translations, siding with the source - not the target - language, while not disparaging the translation. We do this because we realize we are reading a translation and the author did not rise from the dead to tellvthe translator what to write in English. We gain an understanding greater than reading the book as if the author was a contemporary American.

If we are so serious with literature, I cannot but feel we should be even more so with Scripture. God's Word is not a siperficial thing.


Anyway, I thought there were ideas left that could be continued.

Greetings to all. Lots of people SAY they believe "God's Word is perfectly preserved", and then they refer to a list of different Bibles based on different texts (thousands of words found in some, while omitted in others) with completely different names and numbers and meanings found in multiple verses (hundreds of them). This is much like saying God's words are preserved in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary. They are all mixed up and out of order and found with lots of other words that are not God's words, but, Hey, they're in there somewhere.

And what exactly is this referred to "the source text"? There is not a person alive today who can show us a copy of "the" Hebrew and much less "the" Greek that anybody really believes is the complete and inerrant words of God.

Lots of Christians want to give us the impression that they really believe in the inerrancy of "the" Bible, but if you ask them to show you a copy of this inerrant Bible in ANY language that they profess to believe in, they cannot and will not do it.


James White doesn't have one. Rick Norris doesn't have one. Nor do John MacArthur, nor Dan Wallace, nor James Price nor John Piper, nor John MacArthur. Not one of these men will EVER show you a copy of any Bible they really believe is the complete, preserved and inerrant words of God. Just ask them.

What we have today is a Bible Babble Buffet with Every Man Being His Own Authority when it comes to what should or should not be in this "bible" they kinda, sorta, believe in, but don't think is inerrant.

The only people I know who really DO believe in an inspired, preserved and inerrant words of God Bible are the King James Bible believers. This is by faith, but it is by no means a blind faith. I believe I can show many examples of how God himself has set his mark on this Bible in history like no other.

There are things about the King James Bible that are not true about any other; here are some of them.

Reasons Why The King James Bible Is The Absolute Standard - God's Historic Witness to the Truth.

https://brandplucked.webs.com/absolutestandard.htm

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
God bless.
 

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The only people I know who really DO believe in an inspired, preserved and inerrant words of God Bible are the King James Bible believers. This is by faith, but it is by no means a blind faith..

Human, non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning/teaching does involve blind faith as it believes, accepts, and advocates non-scriptural assertions that are not true.
 
Your inconsistent reasoning contradicts itself. You suggest that the KJV translators were not moved upon by the Holy Ghost in the same way the Apostles were and yet you directly turn around and try to claim the same Holy Ghost inspiration that the apostles had for the KJV translators.


Hi Rick Norris. the Bible believer you criticize is not being inconsistent at all. God did not inspire the KJB translators to write new Scripture. But I believe God both guided them to the right Hebrew and Greek texts and to the right translation of those God inspired texts.

We have an inerrant Bible. You, on the other hand, do not have such a thing and will never show any of us what you really believe is a complete and inerrant Bible in any language. You are a Bible critic; not a Bible believer.
 

Logos1560

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You are a Bible critic; not a Bible believer.

KJV-only advocates are the inconsistent, unjust Bible critics, and they do not demonstrate that they believe all that the Bible actually states.

The Bible does not state nor teach your human, non-scriptural KJV-only reasoning that you blindly believe. You may try to read your subjective KJV-only opinions into verses that do not teach a KJV-only theory. You have deceived yourself into believing KJV-only assertions that are not true and that are not scriptural.

Fred Butler, a former KJV-only advocate, asserted: “It becomes evident that KJVO advocates believe their position with a subjective, blind faith” (Royal Deceptions, p. 28). Fred Butler maintained that “it is a blind faith because KJVO advocates stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the many truths witnessing against their core presuppositions” (p. 12).
 

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There is not a person alive today who can show us a copy of "the" Hebrew and much less "the" Greek that anybody really believes is the complete and inerrant words of God.

You do not prove your opinion to be true. You merely throw out accusations without proving them to be true. Because you choose to believe something does not prove that it is true.

For one example, D. A. Waite could show you a copy of the Hebrew OT and Greek NT that he believes are the complete and inerrant words of God.

D. A. Waite indicated that the view that "the Second Rabbinic Bible is an inerrant reproduction of the original manuscripts" is his "position completely" or that it was a "perfect Masoretic text" is his "belief exactly" (Central Seminary Refuted, p. 41).

D. A. Waite claimed: "The text which underlies our King James Bible was a text that Dr. Frederick Scrivener put out" (Central Seminary Refuted, p. 74). Waite also maintained that Scrivener’s Greek text is “the Received Text which has been handed down from generation to generation by the church” (Defending the KJB, p. 40).
 
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@Michael Hollner ,

I have another question, hoping you know the answer (if not perhaps someone else can chime in).

If God preserving His Word means He provides a transcript via translation in other languages, what about Greek? Is the LXX God's perfect Word for Greek speaking people?

Also, if we compare God's perfect Word in Latin, Greek, and German to the KJV will they read the same?

It seems that would be a good proof (if you are correct about how God preserves His Word). Grab a LXX, Luther's German translation, and make sure the KJV aligns.


Hi JonC. I do not believe there was an inerrant Bible before the King James Bible, and I don't believe you do either. We are talking about inerrancy. There is no way the so called Greek Septuagint is the inerrant words of God.

I can give you lots of examples if your wish.
Nor is the Latin, nor Luther's German bible. There are some very good Bibles out there in foreign languages, but none that I know of that are inerrant.

God never promised to give every nation or language a perfect Bible, but he did promise to preserve his words and he refers to "the book of the LORD" and that heaven and earth will pass away but his words would not pass away.

I don't think that at this point you can show us any Bible in any language that you honestly believe is the complete and inerrant words of God. Inerrant. 100% true, both textually and in meaning.

God bless.
 

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I do not believe there was an inerrant Bible before the King James Bible, .

Are you suggesting that you claim that God did not keep His promises concerning His words before 1611?

Does your inconsistent reasoning suggest that the book of the LORD had passed away or was lost until it was restored or regiven in 1611?

You make no positive, clear, consistent, just, true, or scriptural case for suggesting that the word of God is bound to the inconsistent textual criticism decisions, inconsistent Bible-revision decisions, and imperfect translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611.
 

Logos1560

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We have an inerrant Bible. .

Do you prove what you assume and believe to be actually true or could you possibly deceive yourself?

Are you trying to suggest that the errors in the 1611 edition of the KJV (some not corrected until the 1700's) were not errors?

Are you trying to suggest that the error introduced in the 1769 Oxford edition that remained in most Oxford and Cambridge editions for 100 years was not an error?

How can a claimed inerrant KJV have some actual proven errors?

Which specific edition do you claim was the first inerrant one of the KJV?
 
Are you suggesting that you claim that God did not keep His promises concerning His words before 1611?

Does your inconsistent reasoning suggest that the book of the LORD had passed away or was lost until it was restored or regiven in 1611?

You make no positive, clear, consistent, just, true, or scriptural case for suggesting that the word of God is bound to the inconsistent textual criticism decisions, inconsistent Bible-revision decisions, and imperfect translation decisions of one exclusive group of Church of England critics in 1611.

Hi Rick. I DO believe God preserved his words, but they needed to be purified from man made corruptions, whether intentional or accidental. God has always known which words are his. And after this purifying process the final product is the English text of the King James Bible.

You, on the other hand, cannot show us a copy of any Bible that you really believe is the preserved, complete and inerrant words of God. You will never do that, and you know you won't do that.

You simply have NO complete and inerrant words of God in any Bible you can show us. If you think you do, then how about telling us which one it is or give us a link to where we can see it.

But that is not gonna happen, is it.
 

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Hi Rick Norris. the Bible believer you criticize is not being inconsistent at all. God did not inspire the KJB translators to write new Scripture. But I believe God both guided them to the right Hebrew and Greek texts and to the right translation of those God inspired texts.

We have an inerrant Bible. You, on the other hand, do not have such a thing and will never show any of us what you really believe is a complete and inerrant Bible in any language. You are a Bible critic; not a Bible believer.
So the changes made, hundreds of them, from the 1611 to the 1769 meant what, refining and repurifing what was already per you perfect?
 

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Hi JonC. I do not believe there was an inerrant Bible before the King James Bible, and I don't believe you do either. We are talking about inerrancy. There is no way the so called Greek Septuagint is the inerrant words of God.

I can give you lots of examples if your wish.
Nor is the Latin, nor Luther's German bible. There are some very good Bibles out there in foreign languages, but none that I know of that are inerrant.

God never promised to give every nation or language a perfect Bible, but he did promise to preserve his words and he refers to "the book of the LORD" and that heaven and earth will pass away but his words would not pass away.

I don't think that at this point you can show us any Bible in any language that you honestly believe is the complete and inerrant words of God. Inerrant. 100% true, both textually and in meaning.

God bless.
Inerrancy ONLY referred to the Originals!
Not until the KJVO was the understanding of translations also being inerrant was brought on!
 
Do you prove what you assume and believe to be actually true or could you possibly deceive yourself?

Are you trying to suggest that the errors in the 1611 edition of the KJV (some not corrected until the 1700's) were not errors?

Are you trying to suggest that the error introduced in the 1769 Oxford edition that remained in most Oxford and Cambridge editions for 100 years was not an error?

How can a claimed inerrant KJV have some actual proven errors?

Which specific edition do you claim was the first inerrant one of the KJV?


Any Cambridge printing of the King James Bible you can by at any bookstore today is the complete and inerrant words of God.


The underlying Hebrew and Greek text of the KJB has never changed. This is in sharp contrast to versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, etc. that continue to deliberately change not only their translation, but their underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as well.

And keep firmly in mind, Rick, that you will NEVER show us a copy of any bible in any language that you really believe is the inerrant words of God. Not gonna happen.


Printing errors (typos) did happen in the printings of the King James Bible. There is one undeniable example of where the printer was obviously not paying close attention to what he was doing. He may have been tired or his eyes blurred what he was reading or he just had a mental lapse.


This example is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-7. You can get a copy of the first printing of the King James Bible 1611 from Thomas Nelson publishers. I have a hard copy myself.


When you go to 1 Corinthians chapter 15 we see the verses are numbered in the following fashion. The verses themselves are the same. But the numbering of the verses is not. What we see here is verse numbering as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 7. Notice the two 5's and the absence of the number 6.


The Cambridge printing you can buy in any bookstore today is the inerrant words of God. Blayney did not change the text of the KJB. He updated the spelling and a little bit of the punctuation, but he did not change the text.


(things like sonne to son, sinne to sin, citie to city, eies to eyes, dayes to days, yeares to years, hee to he, sate to sat, sayde to said.)


Even the American Bible Society, no friend to the King James Bible, had this to say about the "revisions" of the King James Bible. The American Bible Society wrote, "The English Bible, as left by the translators (of 1611), has come down to us unaltered in respect to its text..." They further stated, "With the exception of typographical errors and changes required by the progress of orthography in the English language, the text of our present Bibles remains unchanged, and without variation from the original copy as left by the translators" (Committee on Versions to the Board of Managers, American Bible Society, 1852).





Throughout the history of Bible publishing there have been some rather humorous examples of printing errors .


It should also be noted that there have been printing errors, even with today's advanced technology, in the NASB, NKJV, and NIV as well.


Here are a few of the printing errors that have occurred in various King James Bible editions.


A 1631 edition became known as the "Wicked Bible" because the seventh commandment read, "thou shalt commit adultery."


"Wicked Bible" 1631 - This Bible is an unspeakably rare collector's item. The printers were fined 300 pounds sterling for their terrible typographical error in printing the Ten Commandments, omitting the all-important word "not" and rendering the verse as, "Thou shalt commit adultery"! The lot of 1,000 copies were ordered destroyed, but only a handful escaped destruction, making them the rarest of rare. This is the only one for sale in the world.


"In 2008, a copy of the Wicked Bible went up for sale online, priced at $89,500."

You can read about this infamous "the Wicked Bible" (or The Adulterous Bible) here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible


The printer of the "Fool Bible" had to pay 3,000 pounds for this mistake in Psalm 14:1: "The fool hath said in his heart there is a God."


In 1653, there was a misprint in I Corinthians 6:9 that read, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God" and one in Romans 6:13 that read, "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness unto sin." This Bible became known as "the Unrighteous Bible."



In 1716 an Irish edition contains a tiny but significant typo. In John 5:14 it read "sin on more" rather than "sin no more". No one noticed the error until 8000 copies had been printed and bound.


In 1717, there was a misprint in a heading for the "parable of the vineyard," which called it the "Parable of the vinegar." This Bible was called "the Vinegar Bible."


In 1801, Jude 16 stated, "these are murderers" instead of "murmurers", and Mark 7:27 stated, "let the children first be killed" instead of "filled." This Bible was nicknamed "the Murderers Bible."


In 1820, Jesus says, "Who hath ears to ear, let him hear" in Matthew 13:43, and this was called "the Ears to Ear" Bible.


In 1823, Genesis 24:61 states "Rebekah arose, and her camels", instead of "her damsels," in "Rebekah's Camels Bible."



The cause for all of these defects may be found in "the Printers' Bible"(1702), which states in Psalm 119:161, "printers have persecuted me" (instead of "princes" have persecuted me).


If ever there was a misprint that carried a lot of legitimate meaning, this is it. "Printers have persecuted me."


The whole "Printing Error" complaint the Bible doubters and biblical relativists bring up is really a non issue. What I mean by this is that if every single copy of the King James Bible that has ever come off the presses read exactly the same with no minor printing errors at all found in any of them, it still would not change their opinion that the KJB is not the inspired, inerrant word of God. It is brought up as a smokescreen and is not a serious issue concerning the ultimate truth of Scripture and its preservation.


Most people who reject the King James Bible as being the inerrant, preserved words of God in English, do so for other reasons than printing errors. They have done so because they went to a seminary where they were taught that no Bible in any language and no text, be it Hebrew or Greek, is the inspired words of God.


Or they visited some anti-KJV only website where they were told something like: "The KJV is not based on the best texts", "God forbid" is wrong, or "1 John 5:7 does not belong in the Bible."


They most likely assumed that all KJB Bibles read the same since the very beginning. It wasn't till later they learned of the minor printing errors issue and now they toss this up as a smokescreen. Like I said, if someone is convinced the KJB is not the inspired word of God, no matter if all copies in its long history read exactly the same, his mind would not be changed by this fact. The alleged "revisions" and "printing errors" is a non-issue of no real significance.
 

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Hi Rick. I DO believe God preserved his words, but they needed to be purified from man made corruptions, whether intentional or accidental. God has always known which words are his. And after this purifying process the final product is the English text of the King James Bible.

You, on the other hand, cannot show us a copy of any Bible that you really believe is the preserved, complete and inerrant words of God. You will never do that, and you know you won't do that.

You simply have NO complete and inerrant words of God in any Bible you can show us. If you think you do, then how about telling us which one it is or give us a link to where we can see it.

But that is not gonna happen, is it.
Were the Latin Vulgate or Geneva valid Bible translations?
 

Logos1560

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Hi Rick. I DO believe God preserved his words, but they needed to be purified from man made corruptions, whether intentional or accidental. God has always known which words are his. And after this purifying process the final product is the English text of the King James Bible.
.

The Scriptures do not teach your purification process theory. You misunderstand or misinterpret the Scriptures.

You can choose to believe what you wish but that does not prove your beliefs to be true nor scriptural.

According to the KJV translators themselves, the 1611 KJV does not have an English rendering for every original-language word in their underlying texts. Thus, the 1611 KJV is incomplete with no English words for hundreds or thousands of original-language words of Scripture. Most of those missing words may be for articles or conjunctions, but some are for nouns and verbs.

In addition, your post-1900 edition of the KJV has over 150 whole words that were not in the 1611 edition.
 

Yeshua1

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Any Cambridge printing of the King James Bible you can by at any bookstore today is the complete and inerrant words of God.


The underlying Hebrew and Greek text of the KJB has never changed. This is in sharp contrast to versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, etc. that continue to deliberately change not only their translation, but their underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as well.

And keep firmly in mind, Rick, that you will NEVER show us a copy of any bible in any language that you really believe is the inerrant words of God. Not gonna happen.


Printing errors (typos) did happen in the printings of the King James Bible. There is one undeniable example of where the printer was obviously not paying close attention to what he was doing. He may have been tired or his eyes blurred what he was reading or he just had a mental lapse.


This example is found in 1 Corinthians 15:1-7. You can get a copy of the first printing of the King James Bible 1611 from Thomas Nelson publishers. I have a hard copy myself.


When you go to 1 Corinthians chapter 15 we see the verses are numbered in the following fashion. The verses themselves are the same. But the numbering of the verses is not. What we see here is verse numbering as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 5, 7. Notice the two 5's and the absence of the number 6.


The Cambridge printing you can buy in any bookstore today is the inerrant words of God. Blayney did not change the text of the KJB. He updated the spelling and a little bit of the punctuation, but he did not change the text.


(things like sonne to son, sinne to sin, citie to city, eies to eyes, dayes to days, yeares to years, hee to he, sate to sat, sayde to said.)


Even the American Bible Society, no friend to the King James Bible, had this to say about the "revisions" of the King James Bible. The American Bible Society wrote, "The English Bible, as left by the translators (of 1611), has come down to us unaltered in respect to its text..." They further stated, "With the exception of typographical errors and changes required by the progress of orthography in the English language, the text of our present Bibles remains unchanged, and without variation from the original copy as left by the translators" (Committee on Versions to the Board of Managers, American Bible Society, 1852).





Throughout the history of Bible publishing there have been some rather humorous examples of printing errors .


It should also be noted that there have been printing errors, even with today's advanced technology, in the NASB, NKJV, and NIV as well.


Here are a few of the printing errors that have occurred in various King James Bible editions.


A 1631 edition became known as the "Wicked Bible" because the seventh commandment read, "thou shalt commit adultery."


"Wicked Bible" 1631 - This Bible is an unspeakably rare collector's item. The printers were fined 300 pounds sterling for their terrible typographical error in printing the Ten Commandments, omitting the all-important word "not" and rendering the verse as, "Thou shalt commit adultery"! The lot of 1,000 copies were ordered destroyed, but only a handful escaped destruction, making them the rarest of rare. This is the only one for sale in the world.


"In 2008, a copy of the Wicked Bible went up for sale online, priced at $89,500."

You can read about this infamous "the Wicked Bible" (or The Adulterous Bible) here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_Bible


The printer of the "Fool Bible" had to pay 3,000 pounds for this mistake in Psalm 14:1: "The fool hath said in his heart there is a God."


In 1653, there was a misprint in I Corinthians 6:9 that read, "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God" and one in Romans 6:13 that read, "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness unto sin." This Bible became known as "the Unrighteous Bible."



In 1716 an Irish edition contains a tiny but significant typo. In John 5:14 it read "sin on more" rather than "sin no more". No one noticed the error until 8000 copies had been printed and bound.


In 1717, there was a misprint in a heading for the "parable of the vineyard," which called it the "Parable of the vinegar." This Bible was called "the Vinegar Bible."


In 1801, Jude 16 stated, "these are murderers" instead of "murmurers", and Mark 7:27 stated, "let the children first be killed" instead of "filled." This Bible was nicknamed "the Murderers Bible."


In 1820, Jesus says, "Who hath ears to ear, let him hear" in Matthew 13:43, and this was called "the Ears to Ear" Bible.


In 1823, Genesis 24:61 states "Rebekah arose, and her camels", instead of "her damsels," in "Rebekah's Camels Bible."



The cause for all of these defects may be found in "the Printers' Bible"(1702), which states in Psalm 119:161, "printers have persecuted me" (instead of "princes" have persecuted me).


If ever there was a misprint that carried a lot of legitimate meaning, this is it. "Printers have persecuted me."


The whole "Printing Error" complaint the Bible doubters and biblical relativists bring up is really a non issue. What I mean by this is that if every single copy of the King James Bible that has ever come off the presses read exactly the same with no minor printing errors at all found in any of them, it still would not change their opinion that the KJB is not the inspired, inerrant word of God. It is brought up as a smokescreen and is not a serious issue concerning the ultimate truth of Scripture and its preservation.


Most people who reject the King James Bible as being the inerrant, preserved words of God in English, do so for other reasons than printing errors. They have done so because they went to a seminary where they were taught that no Bible in any language and no text, be it Hebrew or Greek, is the inspired words of God.


Or they visited some anti-KJV only website where they were told something like: "The KJV is not based on the best texts", "God forbid" is wrong, or "1 John 5:7 does not belong in the Bible."


They most likely assumed that all KJB Bibles read the same since the very beginning. It wasn't till later they learned of the minor printing errors issue and now they toss this up as a smokescreen. Like I said, if someone is convinced the KJB is not the inspired word of God, no matter if all copies in its long history read exactly the same, his mind would not be changed by this fact. The alleged "revisions" and "printing errors" is a non-issue of no real significance.
there is NO scripture to support a perfect translation, nor that the Kjv would be that, as not any of the 1611 team themselves held their finished wotk to be such!
 

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The underlying Hebrew and Greek text of the KJB has never changed. .

You have not proven your opinion to be true. Your assertion is actually not true. The 1769 Oxford edition of the KJV changed the underlying Greek text of the KJV in some places. Some changes in KJV editions could also be said to change the underlying Hebrew text.

Blayney did not change the text of the KJB. He updated the spelling and a little bit of the punctuation, but he did not change the text.
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Your opinion is incorrect.
 

robycop3

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Greetings to all. Lots of people SAY they believe "God's Word is perfectly preserved", and then they refer to a list of different Bibles based on different texts (thousands of words found in some, while omitted in others) with completely different names and numbers and meanings found in multiple verses (hundreds of them). This is much like saying God's words are preserved in Webster's Unabridged Dictionary. They are all mixed up and out of order and found with lots of other words that are not God's words, but, Hey, they're in there somewhere.

And what exactly is this referred to "the source text"? There is not a person alive today who can show us a copy of "the" Hebrew and much less "the" Greek that anybody really believes is the complete and inerrant words of God.

Lots of Christians want to give us the impression that they really believe in the inerrancy of "the" Bible, but if you ask them to show you a copy of this inerrant Bible in ANY language that they profess to believe in, they cannot and will not do it.


James White doesn't have one. Rick Norris doesn't have one. Nor do John MacArthur, nor Dan Wallace, nor James Price nor John Piper, nor John MacArthur. Not one of these men will EVER show you a copy of any Bible they really believe is the complete, preserved and inerrant words of God. Just ask them.

What we have today is a Bible Babble Buffet with Every Man Being His Own Authority when it comes to what should or should not be in this "bible" they kinda, sorta, believe in, but don't think is inerrant.

The only people I know who really DO believe in an inspired, preserved and inerrant words of God Bible are the King James Bible believers. This is by faith, but it is by no means a blind faith. I believe I can show many examples of how God himself has set his mark on this Bible in history like no other.

There are things about the King James Bible that are not true about any other; here are some of them.

Reasons Why The King James Bible Is The Absolute Standard - God's Historic Witness to the Truth.



https://brandplucked.webs.com/absolutestandard.htm

"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Luke 8:8
God bless.
Well, HELLO again, Mr. Kinney! Hope God has blessed you & yours, despite your thralldom to a false doctrine.

You're partially right! Belief in the KJVO myth isn't by blind faith-it's not faith at all, but GUESSWORK, of one's falling for, & coming into thrall to the same ole garbage YOU have.

1.) The KJVO myth has absolutely NO Scriptural support, so it CAN'T be true. NO doctrine of faith/worship not found in Scripture is true.
2.) The KJVO myth is totally man-made; the origin of its current version is well-documented.
3.) The KJVO myth is a pack of tall tales, guesswork, & plain ole LIES. One big one is that the KJV is perfect. Many of its goofs & booboos have been discussed on this very page. So much for your "perfect, inerrant" stuff.
4.) GOD IS NOT LIMITED in how He may choose to present His word to man. Nor is He limited to any one translation in any language.
5.) The KJV is a "Model T version" Same as the Model T is still a street-legal car, it's obsolete compared to a modern car, & inferior in many ways. So is the KJV when compared to modern versions.
6.) Another theory of yours is wrong, that God has chosen only one set or series of words in English to present His word in.
I have a fast red car.
I have a red fast car.
I have a car that can go fast & is colored red.
I have a car that's red in color & can go fast.
On & on,ad nauseum.
ALL the above have the very same meaning, but in different words & word order in sentences. Same for Bible versions. Newer ones don't have the same goofs & booboos found in older ones. For instance, they correctly read "passover", not "Easter" in Acts 12:4.

Now, go ahead & call me a "Bible agnostic" one more time. I'll call you an "indentured servant", as you're indentured to, & in thrall to the KJVO myth. I know you're hoping to make s'more dinero by authoring some KJVO jive, but we Freedom Readers see right through it.

Oh, and BTW, there's no such thing as a "KJB" unless it's a Chechnyan sports car.

""THE KJVO MYTH - PHONY AS A FORD CORVETTE ! ""
 

Mikoo

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Any Cambridge printing of the King James Bible you can by at any bookstore today is the complete and inerrant words of God.


The underlying Hebrew and Greek text of the KJB has never changed. This is in sharp contrast to versions like the ESV, NIV, NASB, etc. that continue to deliberately change not only their translation, but their underlying Hebrew and Greek texts as well.

And keep firmly in mind, Rick, that you will NEVER show us a copy of any bible in any language that you really believe is the inerrant words of God. Not gonna happen.


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My NASB is the complete and inerrant Words of God.
 
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