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KJVo Refuse to Answer
- Thread starter Phillip
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WHAT, became known as the textus Receptus? Are you talking about the compilation by Stephens 1550, or the Elzevir, 1624, which is the one most often called the Received Text?
Which one of these is 100% word-for-word accurate?
Also, if one of them is 100% word-for-word accurate, then why did the King James Version use many different manuscripts, to the point of arguing over 13 individual and differing manuscripts of the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and finally settling most disagreements by following the Latin Vulgate?
So, where is THIS Received Text of yours? Oh, I get it, it is ONLY contained in the KJV. Now I understand.
And this surprises you how, exactly. I have on 48 separate occaisions posted a request for someone to provide scriptural support for KJVOism. No one has ever done so. You'd think that if it were to be a universally accepted Christian doctrine, there would be scriptural support for it.
Nope. Continued revisions of the Greek text of Erasmus were made throughout the 16th Century and a final tweaked blended text was not "claimed" until nearly TWO DECADES after the AV1611.
More discoveries and more understanding of the Greek text continued the revision of the Greek text. Many who believe the blend of texts of the Byz family were the BEST usually go back to 1550 Stephanos (St Stephens). Others to the TR or the MT (Majority Text).
Granted, they are very similar. But not the same. So it's always a hoot to see the "scholarship" of folks who claim to use the AV1611 when using a KJV revision, or who claim to be TR when they are not.
"Things that are different are not the same."
Wonder if the scholarship of the successive TR revisers was greater than that of their predecessors, or as time passed, the scholarship of each reviser who made several revisions had raised his bar between revisions? If that's the case, the KJVOs' theory of "superior scholarship" has struck an iceberg, or, if the level of knowledge and scholarship had remained the same, there was no valid reason for their revising the TR.
Wonder if the scholarship of the successive TR revisers was greater than that of their predecessors, or as time passed, the scholarship of each reviser who made several revisions had raised his bar between revisions? If that's the case, the KJVOs' theory of "superior scholarship" has struck an iceberg, or, if the level of knowledge and scholarship had remained the same, there was no valid reason for their revising the TR.
Isn't it amazing that the KJVO's would follow a cult leader? They should know better especially if they know the word of God. But is that an "If?" But I am still waiting for an answer from those learned men. In all the pages I have yet to see one succinct answer.
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[ January 01, 2005, 01:37 PM: Message edited by: C4K ]
Ya know, I've asked the KJVOs to not take MY word for anything I say against their myth; I ask them to CHECK OUT ITS VERACITY BY OTHER SOURCES besides just my words and the sources I quote. for example, the BEST source to verify what I and others say about Wilkinson, Fuller, and Ray is THEIR OWN BOOKS. if they're REALLY interested in the KJVO myth, they'll read those books, which are the SOURCES of the myth. I believe, when some of them actually DO that, we usually don't hear from them again because they're torn between continuing in their myth and accepting the truth that it's false. They just don't wanna read any more unpleasant things about a myth that for years they thought was true. Sometimes they wake up and kiss KJVO goodbye, but most of'em are too deep in it to kick the habit until/unless GOD intervenes.
That's what amazes me...Confronting many a KJVO with the FACTS amout the KJVO myth showing it's a man-made lie, TELLING THEM HOW AND WHERE TO VERIFY THOSE FACTS, and STILL seeing them staying with their myth, REFUSING to answer those questions whose CORRECT answers destroy that myth.
A perfect example is this very thread. NO KJVO will really face the question of LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for their myth. Those that DO try to answer CANNOT post the first Scripture that applies ONLY TO THE KJV.
I know it's tedious giving the same answers to the same blarney almost every day, but we Christians who've been around the block a few times have a D-U-T-Y to fight any and all false doctrines that have infected our churches and lead the new Christian astray, or keep the lost from coming to Christ.
I believe many a Christian follows the KJVO myth because they simply don't know the FACTS. They DON'T know who started it. They DON'T know its premises are wrong and false because they've simply accepted it as written or as proclaimed, without studying its claims for VERACITY. And when they're faced with the TRUTH, they struggle in their minds between not wanting to knowingly tell a lie while not letting go of the myth. They're faced with a real conundrum, so they often opt for the ole "silence is golden" position.
That's what amazes me...Confronting many a KJVO with the FACTS amout the KJVO myth showing it's a man-made lie, TELLING THEM HOW AND WHERE TO VERIFY THOSE FACTS, and STILL seeing them staying with their myth, REFUSING to answer those questions whose CORRECT answers destroy that myth.
A perfect example is this very thread. NO KJVO will really face the question of LACK OF SCRIPTURAL SUPPORT for their myth. Those that DO try to answer CANNOT post the first Scripture that applies ONLY TO THE KJV.
I know it's tedious giving the same answers to the same blarney almost every day, but we Christians who've been around the block a few times have a D-U-T-Y to fight any and all false doctrines that have infected our churches and lead the new Christian astray, or keep the lost from coming to Christ.
I believe many a Christian follows the KJVO myth because they simply don't know the FACTS. They DON'T know who started it. They DON'T know its premises are wrong and false because they've simply accepted it as written or as proclaimed, without studying its claims for VERACITY. And when they're faced with the TRUTH, they struggle in their minds between not wanting to knowingly tell a lie while not letting go of the myth. They're faced with a real conundrum, so they often opt for the ole "silence is golden" position.
Robycop, is it possible that many are "blind leaders" of wayward pastors or older Christians?
This would be a reason they would not answer; they believe they are true, but they are not sure why. All they know is that is what they have been taught.
A person such as this is difficult to reach, but not impossible with patience and continuous effort.
Just a thought. . .
This would be a reason they would not answer; they believe they are true, but they are not sure why. All they know is that is what they have been taught.
A person such as this is difficult to reach, but not impossible with patience and continuous effort.
Just a thought. . .
Doesn't that kind of remind us of Acts 17:11, "Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so."Originally posted by Phillip:
gb, if you can't find scripture to support your belief, then you have to find someone that you can follow (unless you make it up yourself and become the cult leader.)
GrannyGumbo
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Well, since I'm nearly the only kjvo that isn't banned (yet) or too fed-up with y'all, I guess I'll pipe in to say that the Bible I've used all these 50 plus years is exactly what Peter and Paul used. I have no doubt whatsoever that these are the very words of Christ as He spoke it back then.
I have faith that the perfect Author of this perfect Book has been there all thru' the ages, preserving His very words so that even a worm such as I might know the one true God as He is revealed in the Holy Bible. What a comfort!
I have faith that the perfect Author of this perfect Book has been there all thru' the ages, preserving His very words so that even a worm such as I might know the one true God as He is revealed in the Holy Bible. What a comfort!
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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You graciously continue to express your views while abiding by the rules Granny.
GrannyGumbo
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LarryN, you don't see the forest for the trees, right?