Stratton7
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Yeshua1, that’s not how you used it as the info I link stated what you used as a jest.
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KJV's Textual Error
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Stratton7
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I copied word for word as you said “all translations.” I can understand your POV now that you’ve changed it to reputable.
Stratton7
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I have demonstrated why I believe it to be so, but rather you’re unwillingness to accept doesn’t mean I haven’t shown anything prior.
Stratton7
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I have a massive list to answer this but here’s just a glimpse.
John 9:35b NASV: "’Do you believe in the Son of Man?’" KJV: "Dost thou believe on the Son of God?"
John 10:30 NASV: "’I and the Father are one.’" KJV: "I and my Father are one."
John 17:5 NASV: "...’glorify Thou Me together with Thyself...’" KJV:
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."
John 6:33 NASV: "`For the bread of God is that which comes down out of heaven, and gives life to the world.’" KJV: "For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven and giveth Life unto the world."
John 6:69 "`And we have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.’" KJV: "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God."
1 Timothy 3:16 NASV: "... He who was revealed in the flesh." KJV: "...
God was manifest in the flesh."
Philemon 6b NASV: "... which is in you for Christ’s sake." KJV: "... which is in you in Christ Jesus."
Revelation 6:17 NASV: "for the great day of their wrath has come; and who is able to stand?" KJV: "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" (There is quite a difference between THEIR wrath and HIS wrath!)
And yet NONE of them deny any scriptural truths!
Nothing in scripture can be used to prove your assertion!
Quote # 88, stated reputable versions!
It's only a VERSION, same as NKJV, etc.
Stratton7
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Did you read them? I have a list of most changes that cover several OT books and almost all the NT ones.
John 6:69 "`And we have believed and have come to know that You are the Holy One of God.’" KJV: "And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God."
The Holy One.. Satan deceives people into believing he is this.
The KJB said Christ, the Son of the living God.
This is one example. Either you reply without reading or you’re unwilling to see/accept that things have been changed.
Remember when the scriptures that the baby to be born of Mary will be Holy One of God?
Stratton7
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Nothing?
God promised he would make his words generally available to future believers (Cf. Deuteronomy 29:29). We know the words that proceed from God because they are written and preserved (Cf. Matthew 4:4). The churches of Jesus Christ received the words of Jesus and were built upon them (Cf. Matthew 16:16-18; John 17:8; Ephesians 2:20), in turn becoming a pillar and ground of that truth, guarding and keeping the words entrusted (e.g. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 2:13; 1 Timothy 6:20-21).https://www.baptistboard.com/file:/...levant to doctrine of preservation.docx#_edn1
Those promises directly applied to the books recorded down by Apostles and Prophets of God!
Stratton7
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It didn’t at the time I responded, but it’s not a big deal. You believe reputable translations are okay. Great, good to know.
Stratton7
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That’s not the point. I realize there are versions. The point is that you say that word Bible, correct? Or do you never use the word Bible, just “Version”?
Regardless, I’m free to say KJB if I choose as you said the LSB. No point in trying to correct it every single time regardless of my position.
Stratton7
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Then how can you have a reputable translation (your words) if you don’t think those words in the originals weren’t kept for future believers?
The Hebrew and Greek source texts used to translate off of contain the word of the Lord!
Stratton7
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But you said the promises were only for the original autographs.
I digress from here in our convo.
I accept and believe God's promises concerning His words that He gave by inspiration to the prophets and apostles. The Bible's doctrine of preservation concerns the Scriptures in the original languages. I referred to the existing preserved Scriptures in the original languages as the proper standard and greater authority for the making and trying of all Bible translations, not to the original autographs. A modern KJV-only theory disagrees at times with scriptural teachings relating to preservation.
I have not advocated or recommended the Critical Text. I have not claimed that older always means better. The older KJV is not always better than the NKJV.
Because you believe something does not make it true nor scriptural. You can choose to believe assertions that are not true, and thereby deceive yourself.
God is the God of order, and He established the order or primacy [the state of being first or foremost] with the preserved Scriptures in the original languages serving as the one foundation and authority on which Bible translations would need to be based or built. Almighty God gave or laid the foundation on which Bible translations depend. The Scriptures in the original languages obviously preceded any later Bible translations. No other foundation for Bible translations can be laid than the one God Himself laid when He gave the Scriptures in the original languages by the miracle of inspiration to the prophets and apostles (Eph. 2:20, 2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21, Eph. 3:5, 1 Cor. 2:13, Ps. 11:3, 1 Cor. 3:11).
Puritan William Whitaker wrote: “The church is said (Eph. 2:20) to be built upon the foundation of the prophets and apostles, that is, upon the prophetic and apostolic doctrine; therefore the prophetic and apostolic doctrine, that is, the whole scripture, and the approbation of the same, preceded the church” (Disputation on Holy Scripture, pp. 347-348). William Whitaker added: “The foundation of the prophets and apostles in this place actually does denote the scripture” (p. 348). William Whitaker also observed that “Ambrose says that by the foundation in this place is understood the old and new Testaments” (p. 349). Again concerning Ephesians 2:20, William Whitaker asserted: “This foundation denotes the doctrine of the scriptures, promulgated by the prophets and apostles” (p. 50). Reformer Francis Turretin noted that the word of God is “the foundation upon which we are built (Eph. 2:20)” (Institutes, I, p. 55). Francis Turretin maintained that “the church is built upon the Scripture (Eph. 2:20) and borrows all authority from it” (I, p. 88). In 1684, David Dickson wrote: “The Scriptures are the foundation, upon which the church is built (Eph. 2:20) (Truth’s Victory over Error, p. 3). Concerning Ephesians 2:20 in his commentary, John MacArthur asserted: “The foundation of the apostles and prophets refers to the divine revelation that they taught, which in its written form is the New Testament” (p. 82). Concerning this same verse, the Henry Morris Study Bible noted: “The ’foundation of the apostles and prophets,’ upon which the great house must be built, clearly refers to the Scriptures which they wrote under divine inspiration. The New Testament was given ‘by revelation‘ (3:3), ‘revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit‘ (3:5)” (p. 1809). Vishal Mangalwadi wrote: “The church was ‘built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets,’ that is, on the New and Old Testaments” (Book that Made Your World, p. 397). Scriptural truth concerning a foundation established by God would conflict with any human attempt to make a translation the final authority.
Does the KJV-only claim to have absolute certainty and final authority in a translation while in effect dismissing or undermining the greater authority of its foundation hold up? KJV-only advocate Ed Moore admitted: “No one should seek to set any translation up over the majority text of the original languages” (Final Authority, p. 15).
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