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[Reynolds]

Now I am a hillbilly? You don't even know me. You really need to examine yourself here as you have resorted to namecalling since you can't actually refute my points. I have reported your post.

I am the "hillbilly." Get your bloomers unbundled.
Context. Read again. I knew you had a degree. From Liberty I believe.

 

[loDebar]

God chose people to be elect from before the foundation of the world. He "foreknew" them. These people are subsequently born into physical bodies. At some point in their life God zaps them (regenerates them) with the ability to believe, the ability to have faith. Is this the dragging you refer to?

So when are they elect? From before the foundation of the world? Or when God regenerates them so they can receive the gift of faith?

Anyone who has a soul can believe, I do not think ever body throughout time has had a soul.
Those who are spiritual beings , who God foreknew, can believe .

Jhn 1:12

But as many as received him, to them gave he power tobecome the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

 

[37818]

Anyone who has a soul can believe, I do not think ever body throughout time has had a soul.

Seriously? Even animals have a soul. So your argument makes no sense.

 

[Reformed1689]

I am the "hillbilly." Get your bloomers unbundled.
Context. Read again. I knew you had a degree. From Liberty I believe.

I read it again. I do not see how the context has you calling yourself a hillbilly. You said I was prideful in my theology degree then said you never know what worthless piece of paper the hillbilly you are talking to has. We were not talking about your getting educated, we were talking about mine. So no idea how I should have concluded you were talking about yourself. Yes, I went to Liberty.

 

[loDebar]

Seriously? Even animals have a soul. So your argument makes no sense.

no they dont, you are probably using the wrong definition. The part of us that responses to spiritual things,
soma body psyche mind pnuema, the soul

 

[Reformed1689]

Anyone who has a soul can believe, I do not think ever body throughout time has had a soul.

Where do you come to that conclusion from?

 

[loDebar]

Where do you come to that conclusion from?

from those who have never heard of Jesus and God is fair

and Satan killing babies that we believe go straight to Heaven. Why would he not wait, if he wanted them to not go to Heaven

I think He puts souls in the bodies when and where He wants

Heb 2 11

 

[Reformed1689]

from those who have never heard of Jesus and God is fair

Explain this please.

 

[McCree79]

from those who have never heard of Jesus and God is fair

and Satan killing babies that we believe go straight to Heaven. Why would he not wait, if he wanted them to not go to Heaven

I think He puts souls in the bodies when and where He wants

Heb 2 11

Hebrews 2:11 is your proof text for not everyone has a soul???

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[InTheLight]

So when are they elect? From before the foundation of the world? Or when God regenerates them so they can receive the gift of faith?

When regenerated.

Well we have a contradiction.

Calvinists say that God elects people from before the foundation of the world (usually use Eph 1:4 and Rev 13:8, ESV, as their proof text.)

Now you say that they aren't elected until they are regenerated.

The London Confession of Faith, 1689, or if you like the Westminster Confession both state that election has been secured when the person is an infant, (Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit..chapter 10, part 3)

I guess it's a mystery, huh?

 

[Reynolds]

I read it again. I do not see how the context has you calling yourself a hillbilly. You said I was prideful in my theology degree then said you never know what worthless piece of paper the hillbilly you are talking to has. We were not talking about your getting educated, we were talking about mine. So no idea how I should have concluded you were talking about yourself. Yes, I went to Liberty.

I knew you had a degree. You don't know what I have. I have never stated on here what my Christian education is. I often refer to myself as a hillbilly. What does "You" mean? Does "You" mean you, or does "you" mean me?

 

[Reformed1689]

Well we have a contradiction.

Actually we don't.

Calvinists say that God elects people from before the foundation of the world (usually use Eph 1:4 and Rev 13:8, ESV, as their proof text.)

Agree.

Now you say that they aren't elected until they are regenerated.

Nope. Did not say that. (See post below, I now realize I did say this but it was a misreading of the post I quoted)

The London Confession of Faith, 1689, or if you like the Westminster Confession both state that election has been secured when the person is an infant, (Elect infants dying in infancy are regenerated and saved by Christ through the Spirit..chapter 10, part 3)

I guess it's a mystery, huh?

Nope, no mystery. You are confusing (or twisting I'm not sure) terms.

 

[Reformed1689]

Now you say that they aren't elected until they are regenerated.

Actually I just went back. I did in fact say that but not because that is my position. I guess I misread your post. They are elect from the foundation of the world. They are able to come to Christ once they have been regenerated.

 

[Reformed1689]

What does "You" mean? Does "You" mean you, or does "you" mean me?

I read it as a sarcastic statement.

 

[Reformed1689]

You don't know what I have. I have never stated on here what my Christian education is.

Not sure how this is even relative to what we were talking about. I never questioned your education, you told me to go get educated.

 

[Reynolds]

Not sure how this is even relative to what we were talking about. I never questioned your education, you told me to go get educated.

In street language.
Educate yourself or get educated, means "listen and learn." It does not literally mean go to school.

 

[Reynolds]

I read it as a sarcastic statement.

I meant it as a literal "You." Literal D.T. jr.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I know you do. You are real proud of it. You never know what worthless pieces of paper the hillbilly you are conversing with has.

(For clarification, I am the hillbilly with the paper pile, not DavidTaylorjr.)

He’s not boastful as you falsely accuse him of being. Stating fact does not equal boasting.

 

[Reynolds]

He’s not boastful as you falsely accuse him of being. Stating fact does not equal boasting.

It all depends.

 

[Jerome]

So when are they elect? From before the foundation of the world? Or when God regenerates them so they can receive the gift of faith?

When regenerated.

All these Calvinists agree it's long before regeneration:

God elected who would be saved from eternity past

God the Father chose the Elect for salvation from eternity past.

God did elect individuals...from eternity past.

He chose some before the foundation of the world