It was Albert Mohler who said that. He's president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville!
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LGBT theological positions
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GoodTidings
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Actually Jesus taught that in principle. If you lust after a woman you are not married to, you have already committed adultery in your heart. If you hate someone, you have already committed murder in your heart.
Sin begins in the heart long before it is carried out in the flesh. It would be sinful for a person to desire to murder someone as it would be for them to commit the act of murder. There is nothing in the Bible to support a notion that it is okay to desire and entertain sin in the heart and mind, even if you don't commit the act.
GoodTidings
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The link took me to Jonathan Merritt, a gay Baptist blogger/ writer.
evenifigoalone
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By that logic any heterosexual attraction outside of marriage is a sin. I don't believe that's the case. Lust is a stronger feeling than simple attraction, it's not just realizing someone is attractive, it's entertaining sin in your heart.
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GoodTidings
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Only lusting after a married person, or lusting after a member of the opposite sex who is not married.
Simply being attracted to a member of the opposite sex is not sinful as that is how God actually designed us. As long as one does not entertain engaging in sinful activity, it is not a sin to be attracted. I see attractive women all of the time. And I view them as attractive, but I don't lust, or entertain that attraction. You cannot help the first look; but you can help the 2nd look.
There is no context where same sex attraction is okay, per the Scriptures. The Bible makes no room for that.[/quote][/QUOTE]
evenifigoalone
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I'll agree to disagree. *shrugs*
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GoodTidings
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You think the Bible is okay with being attracted to the same sex? Even though God calls homosexuality an abomination?
evenifigoalone
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It calls homosexual action an abomination, not attraction
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GoodTidings
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The Bible doesn't separate the desire from the action in that way. Would it be sinful to want molest the kid next door even if you didn't actually do it?
True GT - just the opposite. He is displeased.
Psalm 66:18 If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me:
While we are in this world we are susceptible daily to temptation.
Therefore we should daily examine ourselves honestly acknowledging our sins of the heart and mind as well as actual deeds.
1 john 1
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The weightier matter is the cover up of our sin as if we could hide it from God as Adam tried.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
evenifigoalone
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Temptation isn't the same as sin. There are people who struggle with pedophilia, but who hate it and want to get help for it. I wouldn't say they are in sin.
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evenifigoalone
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Anyways, me and the peer support group are in our way to the bowling alley, and I'd like to enjoy myself.
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GoodTidings
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I am not talking about being tempted. It is not a sin to be tempted. But I am talking about entertaining the desire. It is one thing to struggle with something we know is a sin. It is quite another to entertain it and refuse to acknowledge it as a sin.
evenifigoalone
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One can be same sex attracted and not entertain it
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They are talking about Albert Mohler, Russell Moore, and J.D. Greear. It is no wonder that the SBC is messed up with those three emoting against Scripture. They think that the SBC can get some gay money the way that the RCC gets some gay money.
GoodTidings
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Yes, that is true. The point is that same sex attraction is a spiritual stronghold. It is not how God designed us. It is not a mental disorder. It is a spiritual problem that only Jesus can deliver a homosexual from.
evenifigoalone
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Sometimes, maybe. I'm not saying Jesus isn't able, but I am saying a lot of the time we continue to struggle with sins because it's in our nature. God doesn't always take them away. Side B folks by and large still have SSA. My wager is that many side X folks do as well, the difference is they do believe their SSA is a sin whether or not they entertain it and want to be rid of it entirely. Side B folks are moreso "we can't help having it, but we won't act on it". (That doesn't mean they believe entertaining it is okay)
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I don’t believe X is rejected for good reason. First, the number of homosexuals who prey upon young boys should not be ignored. Young boys are being introduced to the lifestyle and need therapy to leave the lifestyle.
Second, Gay porn hires straight actors. Straight actors will participate because it is far more lucrative than Straight porn. This once again shows that people can and will perform for the same sex if they are pushed hard enough. Such people may need therapy to return to their natural relations.
Third, the Bible says so. I know some here think that the Bible is the “babbling of nursemaids” (Quote from John Calvin). However, Paul makes it very clear that homosexuality is not a natural behavior or desire.
Romans 1:26-27 NIV
[26] Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. [27] In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
Fourth, some people reply to this that some animals practice homosexuality. We are meant to rule over the animals - not be ruled by them.
Genesis 1:26 NIV
[26] Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Next, seals will have sex with penguins and then bite their head off and eat them. Is this behavior ok?
I’ve known those who practice homosexuality and I can say with certainty that they have decided to pursue an unnatural relation. I’m not saying that there are some with XXY chromosomes who should be given leeway or that there may even be some other defect. I would say that such people are far fewer that the LGBT community says.
As for the subject of homophobia, I would say that this is a definite problem. Homosexuals should not be talked of like the Jews are/were talked of in Germany. Many times young people and some older people will prejudge people as homosexual for such things as having a higher pitched voice, dressing well, hanging out with girls, taking a “female” job, etc. They may even go so far as kill such a person. I believe that such people are guilty of crimes against God and will burn in hell.
Homophobia, in part, is when people see homosexuals were there aren’t. I had a grandfather who said everyone in the Clinton administration was a homosexual.
Homophobia is also a overreaction to homosexuals. When someone at a store identifies as homosexual and the manager kicks them out. When a man will punch another man at a bar when he finds out he is homosexual. Etc. I believe Homophobia - the irrational fear or hatred of homosexuals - is actually a problem in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world.
But that doesn’t mean that I or the Bible has to agree with their behavior or viewpoint anymore than we have to agree with a woman with three baby-daddies.
I and most Christians meet them halfway by allowing them to repent. We haven’t condemned them, we’ve only pointed out that their current path is evil.
What you want us to do is meet them all the way and state that what they are doing is alright. I won’t do that.
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