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LGBT theological positions
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No, I didn’t mistake myself. Side B is the same as stating that what they are doing is alright.
evenifigoalone
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How is believing that SSA people are called to lifelong singleness and celibacy stating that homo sex is alright. I'd sure like to know.
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evenifigoalone
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Will mention there are side B'ers in what are known as "mixed orientation marriages", where someone who is SSA may be married to someone of the opposite sex despite not being attracted to them in the conventional way. That said, I don't know tons about that.
Anyways, what I want is for people to get to know LGBT people and their struggles better, and to be about to approach them with compassion instead of presuppositions and biases. Just because you know a gay person or gay people does not mean you know what they deal with or that you understand their perspective--same as just because you know someone with mental illness doesn't make you an expert on mental illness.
I'd prefer if people would support side B over side X sure, because trying to force yourself straight often leads to poor mental health when your turning straight doesn't happen. But even that's not necessarily what I'm asking here.
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Anyways, what I want is for people to get to know LGBT people and their struggles better, and to be about to approach them with compassion instead of presuppositions and biases. Just because you know a gay person or gay people does not mean you know what they deal with or that you understand their perspective--same as just because you know someone with mental illness doesn't make you an expert on mental illness.
I'd prefer if people would support side B over side X sure, because trying to force yourself straight often leads to poor mental health when your turning straight doesn't happen. But even that's not necessarily what I'm asking here.
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KenH
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Interesting phrasing. As fallen people we don't get to choose who can or can't repent. We have no "allowing" to do. God has commanded all of us to repent.
By doing so, you’re equating homosexuality with heterosexuality. It’s the first step LGBT uses to get Christians to say homosexuality is ok.
You’re trying to equate homosexual sex with heterosexual sex when in fact it should by equated to having sex with your mother or with a sheep. In fact, there is no reason to identify as homosexual if one has not and will not engage in homosexual behavior. So B is mute. It has no reason to exist.
More likely they are simply saying B in order to lure people into A.
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There is one thing to be understood about being a slave to sin.
The blood of Christ is the key to our chains to free us from the bottomless pit.
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
The blood of Christ is the key to our chains to free us from the bottomless pit.
Revelation 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Leviticus 20:13 NLT
[13] "If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.
They can’t repent if they are dead.
evenifigoalone
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Some side B people don't identify as gay/bi, but as same sex attracted. Some do identify as gay/bi. Either way, it is part of their identity for them, whether they call it gay or whether they call it SSA, because it is a lifelong struggle for them. Same as mental illness or disability is usually part of someone's identity when it has a significant impact and hold on their life.
But it's so nice of you to make brash assumptions about other people's motives. Celibacy is a hard, sacrificial path for many to take. Is it not admirable for someone to take such a difficult path against their sin nature, because they want to please God?
Side B people often try to witness to side A people
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evenifigoalone
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I would liken it to addiction. There are those that God delivered from addiction immediately; and then there are those that God for whatever reason did not deliver and so the believer has had to struggle with it for years and take up their cross daily in defiance of it
(I'm a recovered addict, so that's a topic close to my heart. I wasn't addicted to substances though)
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Hence, why I said most Christians already meet them halfway.
We don't actually know that is true do we Ken?
Possibly people died at the Thyatira church?
Revelation 2
22 Behold, I will cast her (Jezebel) into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Oh, I understand QD, as a child of God I have fallen (but not fallen AWAY) more than once and had to be delivered from my folly via the woodshed.
evenifigoalone
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I'll give an example from my own life. I identify as a recovered addict; this gives me a platform from which to spread awareness about addiction, clear up myths, and spread knowledge. I do this because it's a topic important to me and I want people to know more about it so that they can get help if they have it, or so that they can support a loved one with addiction.
I think it can be similar for side B people
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KenH
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Not by human hands.
Ah, yes.
Yes, I agree that side B is all about identity politics.
Once again. This time equating homosexuality with mental illness, dyslexia, etc.
When people hide their motives as the LBGT community has a habit of doing, exposing their motives is appropriate.
Celibacy is not admirable - especially for homosexuals. First, they didn’t even desire to be married until recently. Second, they have no natural desire to suppress. Finally, being celibate but not chaste is becoming the norm in our society.
Matthew 7:21-23 NLT
[21] "Not everyone who calls out to me, 'Lord! Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter. [22] On judgment day many will say to me, 'Lord! Lord! We prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' [23] But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Get away from me, you who break God's laws.'
evenifigoalone
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I vehemently disagree and implore you to reconsider your insulting assumptions, but it is clear that no fruit will come of going back and forth with you. Good day.
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KenH
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What does that mean?
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