Liberty U. and the False Prophet

[1689Dave]

You really don't know what I'm talking about when I differentiate between forth-telling and foretelling, do you?

I know what scripture says. Anything prophetic beyond that is false. Also misapplying prophetic scripture is false.

 

[JonShaff]

Here's the catch. Paul said;

“so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ; who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye be unreproveable in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, through whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.” (1 Corinthians 1:7–9)

“The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;” (Revelation 1:1)

All of the gifts expired, and history confirms this, as John published Revelation.


602. ἀποκάλυψις apŏkalupsis, ap-ok-al´-oop-sis; from 601; disclosure:—appearing, coming, lighten, manifestation, be revealed, revelation.

Strong, J. (2009). A Concise Dictionary of the Words in the Greek Testament and The Hebrew Bible (Vol. 1, p. 14).

used for Revelation by Paul and John

Context says that 1 Cor. 1 is talking about the Appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ--not the final book of the Bible. That would be called Eisegesis as you are importing your thoughts into the text.

 

[1689Dave]

Context says that 1 Cor. 1 is talking about the Appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ--not the final book of the Bible. That would be called Eisegesis as you are importing your thoughts into the text.

Paul and John both use apocalypse for Revelation = the same thing.

 

[John of Japan]

I know what scripture says. Anything prophetic beyond that is false. Also misapplying prophetic scripture is false.

Yeah, I thought so. You didn't answer me. You don't know what I mean.

Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?

 

[1689Dave]

Yeah, I thought so. You don't know what I mean.

Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?

It was then fulfilled and later abolished with the completed canon.

 

[John of Japan]

It was then fulfilled and later abolished with the completed canon.

Pay attention. That's not what I asked. Here it is again.

Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?

 

[1689Dave]

Pay attention. That's not what I asked. Here it is again.

Question: In Acts 2:17, Peter pointed out that the events of that day were a fulfillment of Joel 2, where it says "your sons and your daughters shall prophesy." In context, what did Peter mean by that? Were the believers foretelling the future, or what?

It doesn't say.

 

[Jerome]

I know what scripture says.

Acts 21:8-9
On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied.

 

[John of Japan]

It doesn't say.

Look at the context. What the "sons and daughters" were prophesying is quite clear. What was it?

 

[1689Dave]

Look at the context. What the "sons and daughters" were prophesying is quite clear. What was it?

It doesn't say. But all prophecy ended with the completion of the Canon.

 

[JonShaff]

Paul and John both use apocalypse for Revelation = the same thing.

"that which is perfect..." 1 Cor. 13:10

 

[John of Japan]

Acts 21:8-9
On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied.

Yep, four soul-winning daughters. My evangelist grandfather had six soul-winning daughters and no sons, kind of like Philip, and our church evangelist here has three soul-winning daughters and no sons. Seems to be a common thing among evangelists. My Granddad thought God gave him only daughters because he was on the road so much and sons are harder to raise.

 

[John of Japan]

It doesn't say. But all prophecy ended with the completion of the Canon.

Wait, you can read Scripture, can't you? It certainly does say what they were prophesying. Read the chapter.

 

[Reynolds]

Paul says to seek the gifts until the Revelation of Jesus Christ. The exact title of John's book of Revelation. It doesn't get any more scriptural that this.

You put 2 and two together and got 7.

 

[1689Dave]

You put 2 and two together and got 7.

No, 1+1 = are the same word used by Paul and John.

 

[TCassidy]

Same word can mean different things. πνευμα can = Spirit, spirit, wind, breath.

 

[MartyF]

So Mark Taylor is clearly a false prophet. Why would Liberty U. be promoting him?

It's their cinema department. It's obviously not a very good department. But it has a fireman and a "cool" fire scene . . . Unlike some, I have no problems with Trump. But this guy didn't come out of the woodwork until Trump was winning.

How to succeed at "prophesy" - write down a thousand things that will happen in the future. If just one of them comes true, claim to be a prophet. Oh yeah - have a "cool" "Christian" job like fireman.

I rarely agree with declarations of false prophesy on this forum, but I will have to agree with this one.

 

[Reynolds]

From the day Trump declared he was running, I told everyone he was going to win. That did not make me a prophet.

 

[John of Japan]

It's their cinema department. It's obviously not a very good department. But it has a fireman and a "cool" fire scene . . . Unlike some, I have no problems with Trump. But this guy didn't come out of the woodwork until Trump was winning.

How to succeed at "prophesy" - write down a thousand things that will happen in the future. If just one of them comes true, claim to be a prophet. Oh yeah - have a "cool" "Christian" job like fireman.

I rarely agree with declarations of false prophesy on this forum, but I will have to agree with this one.

Yeah, near as I can tell, this guy did not reveal that he had a prophecy of Trump winning until after the fact.

I did some research in this guy's "prophecies," which are easily available on the Internet. Out of 23 "prophecies" he only mentions Christ in 3 of them, and all of those mentions are simply "in Jesus' name" in prayers he made up. If a Charismatic movement "prophet" ignores Jesus, he's getting his prophecies from somewhere other than the Holy Spirit.

 

[John of Japan]

No, 1+1 = are the same word used by Paul and John.

Hello, hello? Are you there?

Well, since you can't (or don't want to) answer a simple question (not a trap, not a trick) about Bible content, I'll answer it for you. What the "sons and daughters" of Joel 2 & Acts 2 were prophesying was "the wonderful works of God" (v. 11).

It seems pretty obvious that these were past works. In other words, they were not foretelling the future, they were forth-telling what God had done and what its significance was. The result was that thousands of people got saved, so the specific "wonderful works of God" that they forth-told was, of course, the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Their prophesying was what we call soul-winning or evangelism.

"Note the meaning of the term 'prophesy.' It means to speak in the power of the Holy Spirit. Sometimes it may be foretelling the future. Sometimes it may be rebuking sin or telling people how to be saved, but always it will be speaking in the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit" (John R. Rice, Filled With the Spirit, p. 81).