Liberty U. and the False Prophet

[JonShaff]

That provided in the references.

So how would you categorize them? Are all those sign gifts? Ministry gifts?

 

[1689Dave]

So how would you categorize them? Are all those sign gifts? Ministry gifts?

I believe it is obvious which gifts are which to any who made a study of them and their purposes. Anything scripture does better renders the alternative obsolete.

 

[John of Japan]

The spiritual gifts expired with the Apostles. They only came through their hands, other than the two outpourings. You need to prove this wrong before trying to prove your point.

I've already proved my point. The disciples in Acts 2 were evangelizing, and it was called "prophecy" by Peter, quoting Joel 2.

It is patently manifest in Scripture that prophecy takes two forms, foretelling and forth-telling. Anyone who doesn't realize this knows nothing about Bible prophecy. Look through the book of Daniel, for example. In Ch. 2:20-22, and then in v. 28a, Daniel forth-tells. There is nothing of the future there. After that, Daniel foretells to the king what his dream meant regarding the future foretold by the king's dream of the giant image.

Now, foretelling prophecy has ceased, as you say. But forth-telling prophecy has not. Using the revelation of God in His Word, the canon of which is complete, is a responsibility of every believer.

 

[1689Dave]

I've already proved my point. The disciples in Acts 2 were evangelizing, and it was called "prophecy" by Peter, quoting Joel 2.

It is patently manifest in Scripture that prophecy takes two forms, foretelling and forth-telling. Anyone who doesn't realize this knows nothing about Bible prophecy. Look through the book of Daniel, for example. In Ch. 2:20-22, and then in v. 28a, Daniel forth-tells. There is nothing of the future there. After that, Daniel foretells to the king what his dream meant regarding the future foretold by the king's dream of the giant image.

Now, foretelling prophecy has ceased, as you say. But forth-telling prophecy has not. Using the revelation of God in His Word, the canon of which is complete, is a responsibility of every believer.

This is not what today's false prophets are doing.

 

[John of Japan]

I believe it is obvious which gifts are which to any who made a study of them and their purposes. Anything scripture does better renders the alternative obsolete.

You are really good at being vague and not answering posts, aren't you?

 

[1689Dave]

You are really good at being vague and not answering posts, aren't you?

I'm only saying there are no prophets today. Any you encounter are false prophets. You can play with words but it all comes out the same.

 

[JonShaff]

I'm only saying there are no prophets today. Any you encounter are false prophets. You can play with words but it all comes out the same.

I disagree...of course there are prophets of God today.

Matt. 7:15...Jesus's warning would be a non sequitur if there were not genuine prophets.

@John of Japan has done a well enough job describing the practical realities of prophets (now) through Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

I disagree...of course there are prophets of God today.

Matt. 7:15...Jesus's warning would be a non sequitur if there were not genuine prophets.

@John of Japan has done a well enough job describing the practical realities of prophets (now) through Scripture.

Jesus speaks of false prophets. Only these remained after the Apostles died.

 

[JonShaff]

Jesus speaks of false prophets. Only these remained after the Apostles died.

That does not make any sense. Why would he give a warning about knowing their fruits if there are not prophets that are genuine with Good fruits.

 

[1689Dave]

That does not make any sense. Why would he give a warning about knowing their fruits if there are not prophets that are genuine with Good fruits.

Take a look at history at all the crack pot prophets and convince us these were on the level.

 

[John of Japan]

This is not what today's false prophets are doing.

Exactly the point of this thread! You finally got it!

Today's false prophets do not proclaim Christ. A prophet in the Bible did both foretelling and forth-telling. But the false prophet in the OP does no evangelism, does not give the Gospel, does not proclaim Christ in any of his so-called prophecies.

 

[1689Dave]

Exactly the point of this thread! You finally got it!

Today's false prophets do not proclaim Christ. A prophet in the Bible did both foretelling and forth-telling. But the false prophet in the OP does no evangelism, does not give the Gospel, does not proclaim Christ in any of his so-called prophecies.

But many false prophets name Christ.

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:22–23)

 

[John of Japan]

I'm only saying there are no prophets today. Any you encounter are false prophets. You can play with words but it all comes out the same.

"Play with words?" At least I deal with them. You have completely refused to deal with my points on Acts 2 and prophecy. You are good at obfuscation and ignoring valid points.

 

[John of Japan]

But many false prophets name Christ.

You are not paying attention. Of course many prophets name Christ. But they don't proclaim Him. They ignore the Gospel.

 

[1689Dave]

You are not paying attention. Of course many prophets name Christ. But they don't proclaim Him. They ignore the Gospel.

The proclaim a false Christ and a false Gospel. Being deceived, they thought they were on their way to heaven and found out they never were. Very popular mindset today.

 

[1689Dave]

"Play with words?" At least I deal with them. You have completely refused to deal with my points on Acts 2 and prophecy. You are good at obfuscation and ignoring valid points.

I'm saying the fact that there are no true prophets today sorts it all out.

 

[John of Japan]

The proclaim a false Christ and a false Gospel. Being deceived, they thought they were on their way to heaven and found out they never were. Very popular mindset today.

Yea!!! We finally agree. If they proclaim a false Christ, they are not proclaiming Christ.

 

[John of Japan]

I'm saying the fact that there are no true prophets today sorts it all out.

No it doesn't. You don't "sort it out" by ignoring Scripture. And you have completely ignored my points on Acts 2. That is substituting opinion for Scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

No it doesn't. You don't "sort it out" by ignoring Scripture. And you have completely ignored my points on Acts 2. That is substituting opinion for Scripture.

If they are preaching and you want to call it something else, fine. I'm only saying there are no true prophets since John published Revelation.

 

[John of Japan]

If they are preaching and you want to call it something else, fine. I'm only saying there are no true prophets since John published Revelation.

How about if the Bible itself says they are prophesying, and they are evangelizing? Care to actually answer the Scriptures instead of just little old me?