Line Between Heresy and Difference of Opinion

[saturneptune]

Herald, thanks for the definition. There is quite a difference. While the word heretic has been used quite often on this board, I have never heard anyone called a blashphemer. I have in my mind as the main practical example of blasphemy as the denying the work or nature of the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit.

For example, there is no doubt the RCC considers me a heretic for being a member of the Baptist church and not be a member of the "one true church" for worship, baptism, and the Lord's Supper. I doubt they consider me a blasphemer because I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior, the Father is the Creator, and the Holy Spirit is the One Who convicts, guides and illuminates. They are all fully Divine, and the only ones worthy of worship.

The thought about how other denominations crossed my mind yesterday. We went to a Methodist church at the invitation of some relatives. They have lots of things in their worhip service different like the second Sunday of epiphiany. (January 6 when the Magi caught up with Christ as a child, how they know that I do not know). Anyway, they believe that one can slip in and out of salvation. I wondered if that church thought Baptists heretical because of our belief of eternal salvation.

 

[Herald]

Herald, thanks for the definition. There is quite a difference. While the word heretic has been used quite often on this board, I have never heard anyone called a blashphemer. I have in my mind as the main practical example of blasphemy as the denying the work or nature of the Father, Son, or Holy Spirit.

For example, there is no doubt the RCC considers me a heretic for being a member of the Baptist church and not be a member of the "one true church" for worship, baptism, and the Lord's Supper. I doubt they consider me a blasphemer because I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God and Savior, the Father is the Creator, and the Holy Spirit is the One Who convicts, guides and illuminates. They are all fully Divine, and the only ones worthy of worship.

The thought about how other denominations crossed my mind yesterday. We went to a Methodist church at the invitation of some relatives. They have lots of things in their worhip service different like the second Sunday of epiphiany. (January 6 when the Magi caught up with Christ as a child, how they know that I do not know). Anyway, they believe that one can slip in and out of salvation. I wondered if that church thought Baptists heretical because of our belief of eternal salvation.

Well, keep in mind that Free Will Baptists believe you can lose your salvation. Seems incongruous for a Baptist church to believe that, but some do. Independency has its advantages, but also its drawbacks.

Have a blessed day!

 

[saturneptune]

Well, keep in mind that Free Will Baptists believe you can lose your salvation. Seems incongruous for a Baptist church to believe that, but some do. Independency has its advantages, but also its drawbacks.

Have a blessed day!

Some types of Baptists are so far removed from our bedrock beliefs, like eternal security, the do not have any business using the name Baptist. I would think that goes for Baptism by immersion after salvation also.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are some beliefs that the majority of the Church has labeled as heretical (i.e. Arianism, Gnosticism, Donatism et. al), and then there are beliefs that have been labeled as heretical by specific denominations.

To muddy the waters here, there are also dividing lines between say AoG views of the Holy Spirit, and the Word of faith...

AoG could be considered as being essentially orthodox, but with regards to their distinctive views on the Spirit misunderstanding the biblical view, but WOF go into heretical views!

 

[Thomas Helwys]

Some types of Baptists are so far removed from our bedrock beliefs, like eternal security, the do not have any business using the name Baptist. I would think that goes for Baptism by immersion after salvation also.

Brother, what about those first English Baptists founded by my namesake? Don't you think they had a right to call themselves Baptist?

 

[Yeshua1]

Some types of Baptists are so far removed from our bedrock beliefs, like eternal security, the do not have any business using the name Baptist. I would think that goes for Baptism by immersion after salvation also.

I hold to eternal security, but has that view always been the prominent view?
I hold to calvinism also, but would that be the prominent baptist historical view?

 

[Dr. Bob]

Lots of good discussion on the thread. It is WAY past the normal page limit of number of posts (nobody is going back now to read 20 previous pages).

If someone has pertinent thoughts to add, fire away quickly before this is locked down.

Thanks.:thumbs:

 

[OldRegular]

I really haven't participated in this thread other than the following post [I think]. But before it is closed I am going to express my opinion one more time!

Heresy is that which is a clear violation of Biblical Teachings

An example of some heresies:
1. Denial of the Three Persons of the Godhead.
2. Denial of the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ.
3. Denial of the human nature or the divine nature in the person of Jesus Christ.
4. Denial of the substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ.
5. Denial of bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.
6. Denial of Scripture regarding the Omniscience of God, otherwise called Open Theism.
7. Salvation by Grace plus anything else.

There are a number of beliefs of the Roman Catholic Communion that I consider heretical. Among these are the pope as the vicar of Jesus Christ on earth; the infallibility of the pope when speaking ex cathedra; the supremacy of the Teaching Magisterium and the pope over Scripture; the Eucharist, the re-sacrifice of Jesus Christ; essentially all the teachings regarding the Mary the mother of Jesus Christ; prayer to the dead, etc, etc.

 

[Yeshua1]

I really haven't participated in this thread other than the following post [I think]. But before it is closed I am going to express my opinion one more time!

Also have the interesting situation where aChristians can disagree over say mode of baptism, as I would see it as being immersion, othere "sprinking", but where that view moves froma difference of opinion to heresy is IF one sees baptism making us regenerated/washing away our sins!

 

[quantumfaith]

Also have the interesting situation where aChristians can disagree over say mode of baptism, as I would see it as being immersion, othere "sprinking", but where that view moves froma difference of opinion to heresy is IF one sees baptism making us regenerated/washing away our sins!

But Y1, Acts 2:38 does say the following:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

 

[Yeshua1]

But Y1, Acts 2:38 does say the following:

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost

the greek text constructed in a way that would make it mean that peter was asking them to be baptized into Jesus, for He is the source of their sins being remitted!

Directs the sins being forgiven to jesus, NOT the act of baptism!

 

[quantumfaith]

the greek text constructed in a way that would make it mean that peter was asking them to be baptized into Jesus, for He is the source of their sins being remitted!

Directs the sins being forgiven to jesus, NOT the act of baptism!

I being a protestant...agree with you, but our catholic brethren have a tradition of viewing it different...My point being that the fact that we are all human and fallible...we CAN have differing positions and "takes" regarding the intention and understanding of scripture.

I don't know greek, other than mathematical usage, so I cannot "argue" either way intelligently.