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Living With Illegals?
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KenH
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Excellent points, Dragoon68.
If we would enforce employer sanctions and deny social services to illegal aliens then I think that the deportation would pretty much take care of itself after we got past a few riots that might turn violent.
We must gain control of our borders before we look at designing a reasonable, controlled guest worker program.
If we would enforce employer sanctions and deny social services to illegal aliens then I think that the deportation would pretty much take care of itself after we got past a few riots that might turn violent.
We must gain control of our borders before we look at designing a reasonable, controlled guest worker program.
KenH
Well-Known Member
"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...
There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." - Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
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There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." - Theodore Roosevelt, 1919
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Agree, Dragoon. In addition, I would repeal the law that says any baby born in the United States from an illegal alien automatically becomes a citizen and I would make it retroactive for about 15 years. Legal status should be a right that is earned, not an automatic given to a mother who breaks the law by being here illegally and giving birth on American soil. The original law never intended for it to be used the way it has been abused.
poncho
Well-Known Member
I replied to the second paragraph in another thread on multiculturalism. It seems appropriate here also (to me anyway).
Click Here.
Let your Senators and Representatives know what you want them to do. Plenty of people will do so in the streets. The rest must not be silent if they want their Congress to do their will.
Most Senators and Representatives have web sites that accept comments. It only takes a few minutes to give 'em your thoughts. It takes generations, if ever possible, to undo decisions we don't want them to make.
You can look up the proper web sites here using your ZIP code:
US Senate
US House of Representatives
Most Senators and Representatives have web sites that accept comments. It only takes a few minutes to give 'em your thoughts. It takes generations, if ever possible, to undo decisions we don't want them to make.
You can look up the proper web sites here using your ZIP code:
US Senate
US House of Representatives
I wonder if you've considered all of the consequences of your platform.
Even if you consider the life and safety of illegal immigrants to be less important than cockroachs', this will impact badly on legal Americans. If a girl from an illegal family is raped by a citizen, her family cannot complain to the authorities unless the family is willing to be arrested and deported - then the assailant gets off scot free as the girl will not be around to testify. If factory workers are routinely assaulted and robbed on payday by local thugs, once again, they cannot complain to the authorities lest they lose even more. Employers will be able to shortchange their employees or stiff them altogether and the employees will have no legal recourse. Eventually, the people will seek their own justice through vigilantism, gangs or their own private justice systems (organized violence). I think that is a move towards anarchy and away from civil order; a bad direction to go.
If illegal aliens are afraid to seek healthcare, they become breeding grounds for more virulent forms of disease that could then spread to the legal population.
That kind of defeats the idea of "public communications", if you actually do want to communicate to the public. Many legal citizens don't speak English - Puerto Ricans' native tongue is Spanish. The USA has never been monolingual since its inception. That also isn't very tourist-friendly.
I don't see the advantage of being hostile to other languages. In fact, we should be required to be proficient in at least one other language to be graduated from high school. The way we're going now, towards English only, we will be totally dependent on foreigners to translate everything for us, which may not be in our national self-interest.
All people from and in Puerto Rico are US citizens*, ever since 1917, according to the CIA Factbook (linkie). 25% of Virgin Islanders - also a US territory, thus citizens - speak Spanish, French or some other language.
*except the ones who aren't Puerto Rican either.
*except the ones who aren't Puerto Rican either.
I appreciate your comments Daisy.
On the other hand, if illegal immigrants are removed, as they should be, then there will be no problem with them being mistreated by anyone here. Further, persons who make a decision to come here illegally do subject themselves to some risk of serious harm beginning with the journey here and continuing with a life in hiding. They - not the legal residents of this nation - are fully responsible for that situation.
Some people - a relatively small percentage - still do speak languages other than American English. Most of these already speak American English as a primary if not secondary language.
I've worked in Puerto Rico, by the way, so I'm aware of their situation. I live in an area where there are several communicates wherein a "foreign" language is predominate in daily commerce, service, and entertainment. In fact, I spend a lot of time enjoying one of those which language I can utilitze to some degree.
If we make the case that this group and that group don't speak American English so we should accommodate their language in public communication, then we will open the door to having any and all languages required. Every group would then be able to claim their "native" language is their preferred means of communication. Get ready for true chaos when that happens! Look north to Canada for a small sample of that problem.
I'm not hostile to other languages by a long shot! In fact, as a personal note, I'm able to communicate to some degree in three different languages - two from childhood and one acquired since. I just believe that from a purely practical point of view it's best if a nation have one common official language. It's less complex that way! It avoids confusion since, as any serious student of language knows, many things just don't translate completely from one to another.
Tourism is another issue altogether. International airports, for example, often have signs and messages in multiple languages as a convenience to international travelers. Tour groups often provide persons who speak the language of the tourists for the market they serve. These things are all perfectly fine with me.
I'm not at all opposed to Americans being multi-lingual but I'm completely convinced everyone who intends to live here permanently needs to be able to communicate effectively in one common language. I am opposed to requiring America to be multi-lingual. Secondary languages are just great for those who want to learn them or came here with them!
The only people who should live in this country are those who are here legally either as citizens or residents with permission from the citizens. Our borders must remain borders - boundaries - at which we exercise control over who can come here and who can not. We welcome those to whom we grant permission.
I don't consider the life and safety of illegal immigrants to be less important than that of a cockroach! If a person needs emergency medical attention, protection from a violent crime, etc. we should provide it regardless of their status. I've already stated that many times. We do that for prisoners of war - our enemies bent on our destruction - so we should surely do it for illegal immigrants as well. We recognize the importance and righteousness of humane treatment of illegal immigrants, even while here illegally and a problem for us, and they certainly are not our mortal enemies in the sense that warriors of an enemy state would be. Nothing about our law authorizes nor condones mistreatment of people in any classification.
On the other hand, if illegal immigrants are removed, as they should be, then there will be no problem with them being mistreated by anyone here. Further, persons who make a decision to come here illegally do subject themselves to some risk of serious harm beginning with the journey here and continuing with a life in hiding. They - not the legal residents of this nation - are fully responsible for that situation.
America did start out with three primary European languages of English, French, and Spanish as well German, Italian, and a host of "native" languages. But we quickly moved to English as the nation consolidated it's land and peoples. Even in Louisiana, a base of French standing for years, the language is American English. Even the immigrants in Acadina who arrived there from Nova Scotia who speak Cajun French today must now communicate in American English at the court house.
Some people - a relatively small percentage - still do speak languages other than American English. Most of these already speak American English as a primary if not secondary language.
I've worked in Puerto Rico, by the way, so I'm aware of their situation. I live in an area where there are several communicates wherein a "foreign" language is predominate in daily commerce, service, and entertainment. In fact, I spend a lot of time enjoying one of those which language I can utilitze to some degree.
If we make the case that this group and that group don't speak American English so we should accommodate their language in public communication, then we will open the door to having any and all languages required. Every group would then be able to claim their "native" language is their preferred means of communication. Get ready for true chaos when that happens! Look north to Canada for a small sample of that problem.
I'm not hostile to other languages by a long shot! In fact, as a personal note, I'm able to communicate to some degree in three different languages - two from childhood and one acquired since. I just believe that from a purely practical point of view it's best if a nation have one common official language. It's less complex that way! It avoids confusion since, as any serious student of language knows, many things just don't translate completely from one to another.
Tourism is another issue altogether. International airports, for example, often have signs and messages in multiple languages as a convenience to international travelers. Tour groups often provide persons who speak the language of the tourists for the market they serve. These things are all perfectly fine with me.
I'm not at all opposed to Americans being multi-lingual but I'm completely convinced everyone who intends to live here permanently needs to be able to communicate effectively in one common language. I am opposed to requiring America to be multi-lingual. Secondary languages are just great for those who want to learn them or came here with them!
The only people who should live in this country are those who are here legally either as citizens or residents with permission from the citizens. Our borders must remain borders - boundaries - at which we exercise control over who can come here and who can not. We welcome those to whom we grant permission.
Another reason our health care costs have escalated (I read somewhere the going rate for interpreters was $40 to $50/hr)
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/immig/immighealth.htm
I couldn't help but notice these things have been made law during a Republican controlled Congress and Administration - you know, we've all been led to believe it's just the Dems who are for social programs.
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/immig/immighealth.htm
I couldn't help but notice these things have been made law during a Republican controlled Congress and Administration - you know, we've all been led to believe it's just the Dems who are for social programs.
Automobile insurance rates are also higher to cover the uninsured motorists problem resulting, in part, from illegal immigrants who don't have insurance in violation of state laws.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Another reason our health care costs have escalated (I read somewhere the going rate for interpreters was $40 to $50/hr)
http://www.ncsl.org/programs/immig/immighealth.htm
I couldn't help but notice these things have been made law during a Republican controlled Congress and Administration - you know, we've all been led to believe it's just the Dems who are for social programs.
The Galatian
Active Member
Dallas police say something like 500,000 to 300,000 Hispanics turned out for the rally in Dallas. The organizers asked everyone to wear white shirts for peace, and bring American, not Mexican flags.
It worked pretty well, with one arrest (for drunkeness) and a few people who threw plastic bottles at a small group of counter-protestors.
And there was voter registration information being handed out.
It worked pretty well, with one arrest (for drunkeness) and a few people who threw plastic bottles at a small group of counter-protestors.
And there was voter registration information being handed out.
Okay, does that mean that if American citizens break laws, we can get amnesty? In fairness, that's what it should mean if we are to have "justice" for all.
Obviously, our country does not abide by the Rule of Law any longer. What we have here, folks, is anarchy and the anarchists being patted on the head by those who make the laws.
Does this mean if we refuse to pay our taxes for several years, we will get slapped with no or low penalties for not filing? What if we all decide to work under the table for wages and not pay taxes? Will we be granted amnesty?
Obviously, our country does not abide by the Rule of Law any longer. What we have here, folks, is anarchy and the anarchists being patted on the head by those who make the laws.
Does this mean if we refuse to pay our taxes for several years, we will get slapped with no or low penalties for not filing? What if we all decide to work under the table for wages and not pay taxes? Will we be granted amnesty?
I just hope and pray that our Republican Representatives will stick to their guns on not allowing amnesty of any kind to illegals. Dems are pulling for illegals as a large voting block in upcoming elections. If anything will encourage and strengthen the slumping Republican party it is to do the will of the people of this country and not go the same route the Dems are going, which is selling out our country to the illegal entities of this country.
poncho
Well-Known Member
What we have is a government supposedly acting on our behalf signing our surrender to the UN and international big money interests who in turn are posing as societies benefactors while playing all sides against the middle (class) to increase and consolidate their own wealth and control.
While telling us through their bought and paid for media outlets that it is nothing of the kind and it's all good for America, because...
Lou Dobbs dot com
97% believe the Bush administration is indifferent to the interests and needs of American middle class.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
You can still vote there BTW.
97% believe the Bush administration is indifferent to the interests and needs of American middle class.
http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/lou.dobbs.tonight/
You can still vote there BTW.