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Looking At Luke 24:25-27

JD731

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This passage records the words of Jesus to his disciple Cleopas and his unnamed disciple companion on the Emmaus Road on Sunday, the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The hopes of the kingdom they had been preaching with Jesus for 3 plus years had gone away with his death in Jerusalem. Before they realized they were speaking with the Resurrected Jesus they expressed their disappointment and the finality of their hope through him in the following exchange.

17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.


The implication is that the death of Jesus ended their hope of redemption. He had taught them about a kingdom. Now we can be sure they were defining redemption in a national sense and not a personal sense. They knew nothing about a resurrection.

Let that slap you up side the head. Jesus Christ had been preaching along with these very disciples for over 3 years and here they are completely ignorant about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and what it means. The great apostle John would provide the following commentary about events earlier that day at the tomb, thus shedding light on this ignorance;

John 20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

This a record of events as Jesus went to Jerusalem where he would be crucified
Mk 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

I contend that the gospel that Jesus Christ preached to his own, Israel, at his first coming was not the gospel of the grace of God (which includes the gentiles in the kingdom) but rather the gospel of the kingdom and I contend the gospel of the kingdom is the good news, glad tidings that Christ came to begin the events leading to the inauguration of his earthly kingdom over the Jews only to suspend it because of their crucifixion of him.

I invite those who disagree to a discussion of this topic to explain your logic.

Matt 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 
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Van

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I completely disagree that Chris did not come with the gospel of grace for all humanity.

And then He said to them, “You foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! “Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to come into His glory?” Then beginning with Moses and with all the Prophets, He explained to them the things written about Himself in all the Scriptures.

Here Jesus tells them they are not comprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture. The issue between us presented in the OP is in our difference in apprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture.

The truth presented in our passage is that Christ had to suffer and physically die to provide the sacrifice necessary to make people perfect, without any burden caused by sin. Their understanding of Isaiah 53 was non-existent. But here it is in the NT:

and He said to them, “So it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47 NASB

 

JD731

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@Van
Jesus Christ was not a bad teacher and he did not rebuke these disciples and call them fools because they understood the scriptures, it is because they should have understood them but didn't. The kingdom of God is a kingdom for saved Jews first. There is no other way for Jews to be saved except their sins be put away. I am not here at this time going to explain this to you except to say that Jesus had a conversation early on in his ministry with Nicodemas, a Pharisee, about entrance into this kingdom. He said these things.

Jn 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see (perceive) the kingdom of God.
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Anybody, using common logic and reasoning, reading this, would have to consider that the kingdom would have to be established before anyone could enter into it and the only eligible citizens of this kingdom are those who are born again before entering into it. There is a structure given to us in the scriptures and people miss it because they read books about the Bible and do not believe the words of the scriptures. This is the problem that Jesus said his disciples were having. What if Jesus Christ called you a fool. It would not be a commendation.

With that in mind let us stop and reason some. If the prophecies of a kingdom of God on earth are all in a book that has been written by the people of one nation to the people of one nation in their book, would it not be reasonable to understand that his kingdom of God would be of this people. Especially so if God has not ever promised the kingdom to any other nation and made prophecies to them. Why can't common sense rule among Christendom?

You may research yourself and find that no gentile, who was not already a proselyte to the Jewish family, was ever saved before Cornelius in Acts 10. This would have been in 40 AD, a full ten years after Jesus died and rose from the dead. Peter, in Acts 11 when defending his initial evangelistic meeting with Cornelius when criticized by the other apostles in Jerusalem, claimed this event was the baptism of the Spirit when the Spirit was poured out from heaven in such abundance that all gentiles would be immersed and any one of us can now open our mouths and drink him in upon hearing this wonderful gospel.

What some people present as truth on these forms have nothing to do with what God has said. They have not understood the great wisdom of God in this age of forming his church from among the gentiles.

There is much to know and we can talk about it some. Thank you for responding.
 
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