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Looking At Luke 24:25-27

JD731

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I sure appreciate all the posters that have responded to this conversation. These things needs to be discussed and the scriptures need to win all arguments and settle all disagreements. I remind all of what our Lord Jesus Christ said here;

Jn 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

When Jesus spoke these words the New Testament scriptures had not been hinted at. To have eternal life one must properly identify the person of Jesus Christ and his work and believe in him. One cannot be cavalier and careless when dealing with OT scriptures. Do not assign different meanings to words and people groups in the NT scriptures than they are in the OT scriptures. People during the days of the earthly ministry of Jesus, religious and pious men, went to hell for doing that.

Now, much of what is taught in the NT scriptures was not a subject of OT scriptures. These doctrines are called "mysteries of God." Why are they called that? Because God responded to the rejection by Israel of his kingdom and his person, and his salvation. He went from fulfilling OT scriptures concerning them to revealing a new course of action that involved the gentiles. It was now a spiritual form of his kingdom. Remember how God thinks and does things. It was a physical kingdom first and then spiritual. This is a constant in the scriptures. One kingdom with two characters. Three when one counts God, a trinity.

One does not know how much damage he is doing to the truth by rejecting the kingdom of God in favor of something concocted in the minds of men. Practically everything Paul wrote in his 13 letters is new revelation and is not explained in the OT. The OT is about the physical. The NT is about the spiritual kingdom. The Revelation is when it all comes together as one kingdom under the revealed Jesus Christ, Lord of Lords and King of kings.


Ep 3: For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3 How that by revelation he made known unto me (Paul not saved until 8 years after the resurrection of our Lord Jesus) the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Obviously this was not revealed before Paul or this would be a silly statement.

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

The grace of God is a mystery hidden from those before Paul and his salvation and calling.

5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:

12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

The grace of God is not the elimination of the Jews in God's salvation plan, but the inclusion of the gentiles in his kingdom on an equal status as sons of God with the believing Jews.
 
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Martin Marprelate

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Practically everything Paul wrote in his 13 letters is new revelation and is not explained in the OT.
I think maybe this needs to be checked.
Looking through Romans very quickly, I came across the following O.T. quotations. Read 1:1-2 first, then 16:25-27, and then these:
1:17; 2:6, 24; 3:4, 10-18; 4:7-8; 17, 18, 22-23 (the whole chapter is referencing Abraham) 5:12-19; 7:7-12 (the whole chapter is about God's law); 8:36; 9:9, 12, 13, 15, 17, 20-21 (reference to Jer. 18), 25-29, 33; 10:6-8; 11, 13, 15, 16-21; 11:3-4; 8-10; 26-27; 12:19-20; 13:9; 14:11; 15:3, 9-12, 21.
It seems to me that Paul bases (or at least, establishes) his teaching upon the O.T.
 

JD731

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I think maybe this needs to be checked.
Looking through Romans very quickly, I came across the following O.T. quotations. Read 1:1-2 first, then 16:25-27, and then these:
1:17; 2:6, 24; 3:4, 10-18; 4:7-8; 17, 18, 22-23 (the whole chapter is referencing Abraham) 5:12-19; 7:7-12 (the whole chapter is about God's law); 8:36; 9:9, 12, 13, 15, 17, 20-21 (reference to Jer. 18), 25-29, 33; 10:6-8; 11, 13, 15, 16-21; 11:3-4; 8-10; 26-27; 12:19-20; 13:9; 14:11; 15:3, 9-12, 21.
It seems to me that Paul bases (or at least, establishes) his teaching upon the O.T.
The date for Romans is 58 AD. This is 28 years after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the sixth Pauline epistle. It is 18 years after Peter was persuaded via a miracle of God that he was to go see an Italian to open the door of faith to gentiles because he, God was ready to include them in his unfolding drama of redemption. If there were ever to be an explanation of what God was doing now, in this present time, in relation to Israel and her covenant promises, it is now or it is never. Romans was written from Corinth during the time of Acts 18. That is how much history had passed at the time of the writing.

Therefore, the scriptures from Romans 7:1 to Romans 11:12 are in a strictly Jewish context as that explanation.

Jesus Christ had already spoken of these eventualities during the last week of his ministry on earth so we can have a visual of the whole age as a result of the rejection of him and his work by Israel. Read it here.

Luke 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

The marriage supper of the Lamb is the inauguration of the kingdom of Jesus Christ.

This is a visual for this age given us by the Prophet Jesus Christ. It is to his people Israel.
 

JD731

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I think you should respond to my points.

1) Christ came with His gospel of grace for all humanity.
2) Christ did teach He would suffer and die to His disciples.

See Luke 24:46-47
Here is an important truth that seems to get missed but is revealed and proven to men by the whole of the OT scriptures and the NT scriptures. That truth is that unregenerate men, that is men without the indwelling Holy Spirit as a permanent member of their person, cannot understand the mind of God. It really does not matter which side of the cross of Jesus Christ one lives on, what is his ethnicity, or any other division of humanity. It is particularly true of the OT scriptures because between Adam and Jesus Christ there was not a single regenerated man on the earth. Not one, who had the capacity to understand the mind of God.

This is clearly stated in the scriptures so there should be no doubt. I will quote it for you.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

I hope you guys will read this carefully. God wants our faith to stand in his power, not in the wisdom of men. His words are spiritual words yet many of you men are on his constantly, day after day, guffawing this truth and presenting all kinds of different words that cannot instruct you. One man on here outlines whole books to make senseless points and seems to have no thoughts of his own.

Regeneration happens when the Spirit of Christ indwells our bodies as a part of our person with the promise to never leave us or forsake us. Jesus said in Jn 6:63 that the words he speaks are spirit and they are life. The Spirit indwelt no one in this manner before the cross because of the way we were born of Adam,, body and soul. We must have the proper relationship with the word of God. We must believe it.

Sorry Van, I did not deal directly with your points but I will come back later with my comments.
 

kyredneck

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@JD731, why do you think Peter was ‘called onto the carpet’ in Acts 11 for going to the Gentiles? (Lol, in less than 10,000 words, if possible)
 
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JD731

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@JD731, why do you think Peter was ‘called onto the carpet’ in Acts 11 for going to the Gentiles?
If he was called on the carpet in Jerusalem about going in the home of a gentile, it was by the apostles and Christian Brethren in the Jerusalem church. These men were unaware of the transition that God was making because of the failure of the Jews in Acts 7 to embrace Jesus Christ from the seat of their government, the temple after 7 years of preaching to them.

Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:

Here is Jesus who described this same transition going forward in the last week of his earthy ministry to Israel;

15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.
24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

A house is a metaphor for a family. The intention was for a Jewish family of born again sons, but alas, though they were bidden, they refused to come. Just a small remnant came. But the house was intended to be as large as the Jewish family so now we can read Rom 7:1 thru through Romans 11:12 and have Paul add information to this transition and we can understand it better. I encourage you to read all this but I will except from it.

I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

A remnant is a small portion of the whole.

Since there are some saved, but not the whole as will need to happen for the kingdom to be established, then God deals with the small remnant under a different principle, grace.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.

The answer is righteousness and Israel sought it by the Law of Moses even after Christ had fulfilled the law of righteousness. The text will tell you this and no one will need to guess about it.

Ro 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith,
but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

What this amounts to in this transition from Jew to gentile to fill up the house is a setting aside of the national salvation to individual salvation, one here and one over there, whoever will come until the house is full. Remember, this is the house /family of Jesus Christ. Read He 3 right here.

Transition

13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

In this manner, one at a time.

19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.

How long?

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.



26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

This will transition back to a national salvation when the church is full and the Abrahamic and Davidic and the Palestinian covenants will be at the forefront in history and the mighty God will fulfil them all through a converted in total nation when he has purged out the chaff.

The Jewish apostles and prophets, including Peter, never truly understood the church.

2 Peter 3:16
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

I hope this helps some but I can address the giving of the Spirit to gentiles more thourghly if it will be helpful to you.
 

Van

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Here is an important truth that seems to get missed but is revealed and proven to men by the whole of the OT scriptures and the NT scriptures. That truth is that unregenerate men, that is men without the indwelling Holy Spirit as a permanent member of their person, cannot understand the mind of God. It really does not matter which side of the cross of Jesus Christ one lives on, what is his ethnicity, or any other division of humanity. It is particularly true of the OT scriptures because between Adam and Jesus Christ there was not a single regenerated man on the earth. Not one, who had the capacity to understand the mind of God.

This is clearly stated in the scriptures so there should be no doubt. I will quote it for you.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? but we have the mind of Christ.

I hope you guys will read this carefully. God wants our faith to stand in his power, not in the wisdom of men. His words are spiritual words yet many of you men are on his constantly, day after day, guffawing this truth and presenting all kinds of different words that cannot instruct you. One man on here outlines whole books to make senseless points and seems to have no thoughts of his own.

Regeneration happens when the Spirit of Christ indwells our bodies as a part of our person with the promise to never leave us or forsake us. Jesus said in Jn 6:63 that the words he speaks are spirit and they are life. The Spirit indwelt no one in this manner before the cross because of the way we were born of Adam,, body and soul. We must have the proper relationship with the word of God. We must believe it.

Sorry Van, I did not deal directly with your points but I will come back later with my comments.
I will consider your direct dealing when and if you want to discuss the issues.

1) Christ came with His gospel of grace for all humanity.
2) Christ did teach He would suffer and die to His disciples.
See Luke 24:46-47
 

Van

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I completely disagree that Christ did not come with the gospel of grace for all humanity.

And then He said to them, “You foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! “Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to come into His glory?” Then beginning with Moses and with all the Prophets, He explained to them the things written about Himself in all the Scriptures.

Here Jesus tells them they are not comprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture. The issue between us presented in the OP is in our difference in apprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture.

The truth presented in our passage is that Christ had to suffer and physically die to provide the sacrifice necessary to make people perfect, without any burden caused by sin. Their understanding of Isaiah 53 was non-existent. But here it is in the NT:

and He said to them, “So it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47 NASB

Here Christ teaches His salvation is for all nations, which includes Gentiles, and that He will suffer and die. The OP is unbiblical.
 

Guy Humphries

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This passage records the words of Jesus to his disciple Cleopas and his unnamed disciple companion on the Emmaus Road on Sunday, the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The hopes of the kingdom they had been preaching with Jesus for 3 plus years had gone away with his death in Jerusalem. Before they realized they were speaking with the Resurrected Jesus they expressed their disappointment and the finality of their hope through him in the following exchange.

17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad?

18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days?
19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people:
20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him.
21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.


The implication is that the death of Jesus ended their hope of redemption. He had taught them about a kingdom. Now we can be sure they were defining redemption in a national sense and not a personal sense. They knew nothing about a resurrection.

Let that slap you up side the head. Jesus Christ had been preaching along with these very disciples for over 3 years and here they are completely ignorant about the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ and what it means. The great apostle John would provide the following commentary about events earlier that day at the tomb, thus shedding light on this ignorance;

John 20 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.

9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.

10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.

This a record of events as Jesus went to Jerusalem where he would be crucified
Mk 9:31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him.

I contend that the gospel that Jesus Christ preached to his own, Israel, at his first coming was not the gospel of the grace of God (which includes the gentiles in the kingdom) but rather the gospel of the kingdom and I contend the gospel of the kingdom is the good news, glad tidings that Christ came to begin the events leading to the inauguration of his earthly kingdom over the Jews only to suspend it because of their crucifixion of him.

I invite those who disagree to a discussion of this topic to explain your logic.

Matt 4:12 Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee;

17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
 

Guy Humphries

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In this same chapter the Emmaus two [vs34bkjv], "...found the eleven [Apostles] gathered together, AND them that were with them..."
36 ..."Jesus himself stood in the midst of them..."

To assure them, 43 "He took it, and did eat before them..."

Then a Key verse 45 "Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures..." They had accompanied Jesus about 3 years during which He had advised them and now reminded them 46 "...thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day.
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And [remember] ye are witnesses of these things."

When Jesus "...opened He their understanding..." the 11 Apostles finally 'got it", they believed the Gospel, they got saved. They obeyed Jesus and waited for filling by the Holy Spirit. They ceased expecting Jesus to restore Israel from Roman rule and, when Filled by God's Holy Spirit, they proclaimed, with power, the Gospel as Jesus instructed resulting in a glorious revival of thousands saved. Praise our Savior!!!!
 

JD731

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I will consider your direct dealing when and if you want to discuss the issues.

1) Christ came with His gospel of grace for all humanity.
2) Christ did teach He would suffer and die to His disciples.
See Luke 24:46-47
Ones should read my op again to refresh their memory of my reason for posting it because no one yet has dealt with my concerns. I said the following;

I contend that the gospel that Jesus Christ preached to his own, Israel, at his first coming was not the gospel of the grace of God (which includes the gentiles in the kingdom) but rather the gospel of the kingdom and I contend the gospel of the kingdom is the good news, glad tidings that Christ came to begin the events leading to the inauguration of his earthly kingdom over the Jews only to suspend it because of their crucifixion of him.

Then I said this

I invite those who disagree to a discussion of this topic to explain your logic.

As far as we can know there was not a single person, including those who were closest to him who believed it was in the plan of God to die and rise again before it happened or who believed those women who claimed they had seen the resurrected Jesus on that Sunday morning. These two men on this Emmaus Road were going home and they were sad, according to Jesus himself. It was over as far as they were concerned.

Jesus said the disciples should have known the Messiah when he came would die for Israel and rise again from the dead, not because he taught it to them while he was with them, because he didn't, but because the scriptures taught it.

25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Jesus Christ came, according to Luke 2, as the King of the Jews. He did not begin his preaching ministry to reveal the grace of God but he preached the kingdom of heaven is, present tense, at hand. He said this is good news, glad tidings for Israel. He called on them, every one of them to repent and believe it. He was not lying about his intention but his kingdom did require repentance and faith in him as the promised Messiah and the Son of God. After Jesus rose from the dead he now began to send his heralds out with kingdom powers to validate their message to his nation, Judah and Jerusalem only, to every citizen, and saying, all things are now ready, come, and they would not come.. This was a real appeal to his people and had they obeyed as a nation, then history would have been written much differently. God would have reached the same end and all the nations and families of the earth will nave been blessed, but under different circumstances.

Now, you should begin to see and understand why God did not record the prophecy of the gentile church into his OT. History would have to determine the response of his nation to his appearing.

Lk 14:15 And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed [is] he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.
16 Then said he unto him, A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:
17 And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.
18 And they all with one [consent] began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.
19 And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.
20 And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.
21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.
22 And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.
23 And the lord said unto the servant,
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel [them] to come in, that my house may be filled.
24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

This was a legitimate and real invitation to come.

It is the same as this invitation to Israel;

Mk 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with [them], and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

These were Kingdom signs and showed the same authority had been given to these men as the Lord himself.
 
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Alan Dale Gross

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So before man did this and plunged all of mankind into a curse, the Triune God created a plan for man to escape his sin and live while still upholding the Law of Sin and Death given to Adam.
This plan is what believing man was predestined for to be conformed in the image of Christ. God's plan of Redemption.
I contend the gospel of the kingdom is the good news, glad tidings that Christ came to begin the events leading to the inauguration of his earthly kingdom over the Jews only to suspend it because of their crucifixion of him.
If you say that Jesus was here during His First Coming to Earth to begin his earthly kingdom over the Jews, what would Mankind do for a Savior, with His Crucifixion, Burial, and Resurrection not taking place, since there would be no Satisfactory Sacrificial Atonement for their sins.

There would have been no Redemption!
...

"The Stone became a Great Mountain
that filled the Whole Earth"
(Daniel 2:35,44)


Through all the times of Israel, God had a Plan that was Unfolding. It was a Plan for an Eternal and Glorious Kingdom, not on Earth but in Heaven. The King of this Kingdom would be Jesus Christ the Son of God. He would also be this Eternal and Glorious Kingdom's Temple, its Sacrifice, its High Priest and its Light.

The Gospel of this Kingdom includes the belief that Jesus Christ is Coming Again One Day, at the End of the World. He Will Gather Up His Spiritual Israel, from among the living and the dead, to take its every citizen into Heaven for Eternity (2 Peter 1:1-11).

By the time that the New Testament scriptures were complete, and the Miraculous Signs had ceased, the Gospel had become known across the world in every Nation. God's Kingdom, Israel, was no longer a Worldly Kingdom, but rather a Spiritual Kingdom. This Kingdom of Heaven, the New Israel, was spread throughout the World. It was a Kingdom to which people of every Nation belonged, whether Jew or Gentile.

The King of this Wonderful Kingdom is Jesus Christ, Who Reigns from Heaven. The New Spiritual Kingdom of God became a World Wide Kingdom just as Daniel had predicted when he Interpreted Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

"A stone struck the feet of an image that Nebuchadnezzar saw. The image became dust, and the stone
"became a great mountain that filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35,44). This mountain represents a Kingdom more powerful than all Earthly Empires, a Kingdom which would Endure Forever.

The New Jerusalem:

The Earthly City of Jerusalem was Specially Chosen by God for His Habitation. Jerusalem reached its peak of Earthly Glory In the Time of King David and of his son, King Solomon.
(2 Chronicles 6:5-6)

Because of disobedience to the Law of God, the City and Temple were allowed to be ruined and made desolate by the Chaldeans.
(2 Chronicles 36:11-21)

After seventy years a remnant of its people returned and struggled to rebuild the City. It was only a wretched shadow of its former glory, and suffered oppression by foreign powers. However, Jerusalem was not without hope. The Prophets Foretold Liberation for the afflicted City, and of a time when the sons and daughters of Zion would rejoice. (Isaiah 54:7-8,11-12). Once again God would Choose Jerusalem for His Habitation (Zechariah 2:10-12).

How Are These Prophecies Fulfilled?
  • Jesus Christ is Building a New Jerusalem in Heaven. He Will Come One Day to Gather in its citizens (John 14:2-3).
  • Jesus Christ is the Sanctuary, High Priest, and Sacrifice in the New Jerusalem (Hebrews 9:24-28).
  • The Promised Liberation is in this Jerusalem above, not here on Earth (Galatians 4:25-26). It is a Liberation for all, including the Gentiles, not just for the Jews (Galatians 3:26-27).
  • This Heavenly City was believed in by the Patriarchs of Antiquity. Although they did not have as full a Revelation as we, nevertheless they confessed their Blessed Assurance of a City to be Prepared in Heaven for them (Hebrews 11:8-16).
  • Together with them and the Angels, we have "come" to God's Heavenly Jerusalem. This Glorious Zion is not yet visible to us. We have not yet come there in sight.
  • However, we have come there in Faith and in Promise. We are Heirs and Beneficiaries to an Inheritance in Heaven. Therefore it is already ours, but presently is held in Trust by Jesus our Trustee.
  • He Will Hand us the Key at the Appointed Time. Then we can move in. We eagerly wait with Perseverance for that Great Moment (1Peter 1:3-13, Romans 8:18,24-25).
  • We are already Citizens of the New Jerusalem. By our Faith we are Registered on the Roll of Citizens with Full Rights of Residence in that Heavenly and Eternal City (Philippians 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-24).
  • On this Earth we have no permanent home, but as Pilgrims in a foreign land, we seek the City to Come (Hebrews 13:14).
  • We look for a New Heavens and a New Earth, knowing that our present Dwelling Place is to Pass Away in fire (2Peter 3:10-13).
  • In this New Heaven and Earth, we will behold the New Jerusalem, Beautiful and Glorious City, our Eternal Home (Revelation 21 and 22).
One day, when its King Returns, the Kingdom of the Son, Jesus, will be taken from Earth and into Heaven Forever.

Jesus Will Deliver Up the Kingdom to God the Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24-28;

24;
"Then Cometh the End, when He shall have Delivered Up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have Put Down all rule and all authority and power.

25; "For He Must Reign, till He hath Put all enemies under His Feet.

26; "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27; "For He hath Put all things Under His Feet. But when He saith all things are Put Under Him, it is Manifest that He is Excepted, which did Put all things Under Him.

28;
"And when all things shall be Subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be Subject unto Him that Put all things Under Him, that God May Be All in All."


The last Adam will reclaim it in the times of restitution of all things (Acts 3:21), which is yet future (Re 19).
"And the Lord Will Send Jesus Christ, who was Preordained for you. But Heaven must Receive Him until the Times of Restoration of all things. God Spoke through His Holy Prophets about this too.' " (Acts 3:20-21).

The Times of Restoration that Peter’s audience would be thinking that he was talking about was the restoration of Israel.

Even Peter himself, with the other Disciples, had asked Jesus, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6). Even teachers today are looking for a restoration of Israel on Earth. But that isn't what God has in mind.

Isaiah was one of Prophets God Used as we saw where in Acts 3:21, "God Spoke through His Holy Prophets."

"For behold I create a New Heavens and a New Earth, and the former things shall not be remembered"
(Isaiah 65:17).


Peter later wrote, "According to His Promise, we look for a New Heavens and a New Earth where Righteousness dwells"
(2 Peter 3:13).


There is a beautiful description of this Restoration in the latter Visions of Revelation. Revelation 21:1-5;

"And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth: for the First Heaven and the First Earth were Passed Away; and there was no more sea.


2; "And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband.

3; "And I heard a Great Voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, and He Will Dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4; "And God Shall Wipe Away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are Passed Away.

5; "And He that Sat upon the Throne said, Behold, I Make all things New. And He said unto me, Write: for these Words are True and Faithful."
 

Alan Dale Gross

Active Member
Then a Key verse 45 "Then opened He their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures..."
Jesus Opens the Meaning of Scriptures:

44; "And He said unto them, These are the Words which I Spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be Fulfilled, which were Written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me.

45; "Then Opened He their understanding, (SO THAT THOSE DISCIPLES NOW "BELIEVED" and) that they might understand the Scriptures,

46; "And said unto them, Thus it is Written, and thus it behoved Christ to Suffer, and to Rise from the Dead the Third Day:

47; "And that Repentance and Remission of sins should be Preached in His Name among all Nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Then, notice how that after Jesus Opened the understanding of His 11 Disciples, they are the ones whom He Commissioned, as His first church assembly He was Building, for them, now that they believed, that BY THEM: "Repentance and Remission of sins should be Preached in His Name among all Nations, beginning at Jerusalem" and He described the Instantaneous Miraculous Gifts He would Give those of His 11 Disciples who now believe.

The "unbelief" and "belief"
correctly associated with the Disciples is the key to Mark 16.

These two men on this Emmaus Road were going home and they were sad, according to Jesus himself. It was over as far as they were concerned.
Jesus Appears to Two Disciples:
(Luke 24:13–35)

Mark 16:12; "After this, Jesus Appeared in a different form to two of them as they walked along in the country.

13; "And they went back and reported it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.

There we have to mention again of "they did not believe", meaning, "that all things must be Fulfilled, which were Written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me."

The Great Commission:

(Matthew 28:16–20)

Then, "unbelief" is exactly what Jesus rebuked the Eleven about:

14; "Later, as they were eating, Jesus Appeared to the Eleven and rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen."

Talking to His Disciples Jesus Commissioned them, as a church;

15; "And He said to them, “Go into all the World and Preach the Gospel to every creature.

But, then when this next verse speaks about "Whoever believes", it is a separate parenthetical phase placed in between all the other ones, where Jesus is referring to the people who the Disciples will be Preaching to and who would "believe" "the Gospel" and will be baptized as a Fulfillment of the same Commission they would be Preaching to those Saved souls:

16; "Whoever believes and is baptized will be Saved, but whoever does not believe will be Condemned."

So, Jesus' use of the word "believes" there in that parenthetical phase, it is referring to those who would be Saved under their Preaching.

BUT THEN, JESUS REFERS BACK TO THE DISCIPLES, WHO HE HAD JUST REBUKED FOR THEIR "UNBELIEF" next in verse 17 and the Instantaneous Miraculous Gifts He is saying these Disciples will have, doesn't connect or relate to those in verse 16 who will "believe" and be Saved.

Jesus is now Addressing the Disciples again, directly, AND IT IS TO THEM AND NOT EVERYONE WHO "BELIEVES" FOR SALVATION THAT JESUS BISTOWS THESE GIFTS HE TALKS ABOUT.

17; "And these Signs will accompany
those who believe: In My Name they will drive out Demons; they will speak in new tongues;

See? Jesus is saying that, "these Signs will accompany" "THOSE" of you Disciples "WHO" NOW "BELIEVE" "that all things must be Fulfilled, which were Written in the Law of Moses, and in the Prophets, and in the Psalms, concerning Me"?

So, the Disciples who now had their understanding Opened and
"believe" are the "they" and "them" underlined here that Jesus is referring to (and not everyone who gets Saved)

Again, not all
"believers", but those Disciples who now "believe" are the ones Jesus is talking about when He says:

18; "
they will pick up snakes with their hands, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not harm them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will be made well.”
 

Van

Well-Known Member
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Ones should read my op again to refresh their memory of my reason for posting it because no one yet has dealt with my concerns. I said the following;



Then I said this



As far as we can know there was not a single person, including those who were closest to him who believed it was in the plan of God to die and rise again before it happened or who believed those women who claimed they had seen the resurrected Jesus on that Sunday morning. These two men on this Emmaus Road were going home and they were sad, according to Jesus himself. It was over as far as they were concerned.

Jesus said the disciples should have known the Messiah when he came would die for Israel and rise again from the dead, not because he taught it to them while he was with them, because he didn't, but because the scriptures taught it.



Jesus Christ came, according to Luke 2, as the King of the Jews. He did not begin his preaching ministry to reveal the grace of God but he preached the kingdom of heaven is, present tense, at hand. He said this is good news, glad tidings for Israel. He called on them, every one of them to repent and believe it. He was not lying about his intention but his kingdom did require repentance and faith in him as the promised Messiah and the Son of God. After Jesus rose from the dead he now began to send his heralds out with kingdom powers to validate their message to his nation, Judah and Jerusalem only, to every citizen, and saying, all things are now ready, come, and they would not come.. This was a real appeal to his people and had they obeyed as a nation, then history would have been written much differently. God would have reached the same end and all the nations and families of the earth will nave been blessed, but under different circumstances.

Now, you should begin to see and understand why God did not record the prophecy of the gentile church into his OT. History would have to determine the response of his nation to his appearing.



This was a legitimate and real invitation to come.

It is the same as this invitation to Israel;



These were Kingdom signs and showed the same authority had been given to these men as the Lord himself.
There is no reason to continue. I pointed out where I thought your OP was off the mark scripturally, and you do not see any reason to discuss the issues.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
If you say that Jesus was here during His First Coming to Earth to begin his earthly kingdom over the Jews, what would Mankind do for a Savior, with His Crucifixion, Burial, and Resurrection not taking place, since there would be no Satisfactory Sacrificial Atonement for their sins.

There would have been no Redemption!
...

"The Stone became a Great Mountain
that filled the Whole Earth"
(Daniel 2:35,44)


Through all the times of Israel, God had a Plan that was Unfolding. It was a Plan for an Eternal and Glorious Kingdom, not on Earth but in Heaven. The King of this Kingdom would be Jesus Christ the Son of God. He would also be this Eternal and Glorious Kingdom's Temple, its Sacrifice, its High Priest and its Light.

The Gospel of this Kingdom includes the belief that Jesus Christ is Coming Again One Day, at the End of the World. He Will Gather Up His Spiritual Israel, from among the living and the dead, to take its every citizen into Heaven for Eternity (2 Peter 1:1-11).

By the time that the New Testament scriptures were complete, and the Miraculous Signs had ceased, the Gospel had become known across the world in every Nation. God's Kingdom, Israel, was no longer a Worldly Kingdom, but rather a Spiritual Kingdom. This Kingdom of Heaven, the New Israel, was spread throughout the World. It was a Kingdom to which people of every Nation belonged, whether Jew or Gentile.

The King of this Wonderful Kingdom is Jesus Christ, Who Reigns from Heaven. The New Spiritual Kingdom of God became a World Wide Kingdom just as Daniel had predicted when he Interpreted Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

"A stone struck the feet of an image that Nebuchadnezzar saw. The image became dust, and the stone
"became a great mountain that filled the whole earth" (Daniel 2:35,44). This mountain represents a Kingdom more powerful than all Earthly Empires, a Kingdom which would Endure Forever.

The New Jerusalem:

The Earthly City of Jerusalem was Specially Chosen by God for His Habitation. Jerusalem reached its peak of Earthly Glory In the Time of King David and of his son, King Solomon.
(2 Chronicles 6:5-6)

Because of disobedience to the Law of God, the City and Temple were allowed to be ruined and made desolate by the Chaldeans.
(2 Chronicles 36:11-21)

After seventy years a remnant of its people returned and struggled to rebuild the City. It was only a wretched shadow of its former glory, and suffered oppression by foreign powers. However, Jerusalem was not without hope. The Prophets Foretold Liberation for the afflicted City, and of a time when the sons and daughters of Zion would rejoice. (Isaiah 54:7-8,11-12). Once again God would Choose Jerusalem for His Habitation (Zechariah 2:10-12).

How Are These Prophecies Fulfilled?
  • Jesus Christ is Building a New Jerusalem in Heaven. He Will Come One Day to Gather in its citizens (John 14:2-3).
  • Jesus Christ is the Sanctuary, High Priest, and Sacrifice in the New Jerusalem (Hebrews 9:24-28).
  • The Promised Liberation is in this Jerusalem above, not here on Earth (Galatians 4:25-26). It is a Liberation for all, including the Gentiles, not just for the Jews (Galatians 3:26-27).
  • This Heavenly City was believed in by the Patriarchs of Antiquity. Although they did not have as full a Revelation as we, nevertheless they confessed their Blessed Assurance of a City to be Prepared in Heaven for them (Hebrews 11:8-16).
  • Together with them and the Angels, we have "come" to God's Heavenly Jerusalem. This Glorious Zion is not yet visible to us. We have not yet come there in sight.
  • However, we have come there in Faith and in Promise. We are Heirs and Beneficiaries to an Inheritance in Heaven. Therefore it is already ours, but presently is held in Trust by Jesus our Trustee.
  • He Will Hand us the Key at the Appointed Time. Then we can move in. We eagerly wait with Perseverance for that Great Moment (1Peter 1:3-13, Romans 8:18,24-25).
  • We are already Citizens of the New Jerusalem. By our Faith we are Registered on the Roll of Citizens with Full Rights of Residence in that Heavenly and Eternal City (Philippians 3:20, Hebrews 12:22-24).
  • On this Earth we have no permanent home, but as Pilgrims in a foreign land, we seek the City to Come (Hebrews 13:14).
  • We look for a New Heavens and a New Earth, knowing that our present Dwelling Place is to Pass Away in fire (2Peter 3:10-13).
  • In this New Heaven and Earth, we will behold the New Jerusalem, Beautiful and Glorious City, our Eternal Home (Revelation 21 and 22).
One day, when its King Returns, the Kingdom of the Son, Jesus, will be taken from Earth and into Heaven Forever.

Jesus Will Deliver Up the Kingdom to God the Father:

1 Corinthians 15:24-28;

24;
"Then Cometh the End, when He shall have Delivered Up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when He shall have Put Down all rule and all authority and power.

25; "For He Must Reign, till He hath Put all enemies under His Feet.

26; "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27; "For He hath Put all things Under His Feet. But when He saith all things are Put Under Him, it is Manifest that He is Excepted, which did Put all things Under Him.

28;
"And when all things shall be Subdued unto Him, then shall the Son also Himself be Subject unto Him that Put all things Under Him, that God May Be All in All."



"And the Lord Will Send Jesus Christ, who was Preordained for you. But Heaven must Receive Him until the Times of Restoration of all things. God Spoke through His Holy Prophets about this too.' "
(Acts 3:20-21).

The Times of Restoration that Peter’s audience would be thinking that he was talking about was the restoration of Israel.

Even Peter himself, with the other Disciples, had asked Jesus, "Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?" (Acts 1:6). Even teachers today are looking for a restoration of Israel on Earth. But that isn't what God has in mind.

Isaiah was one of Prophets God Used as we saw where in Acts 3:21, "God Spoke through His Holy Prophets."

"For behold I create a New Heavens and a New Earth, and the former things shall not be remembered"
(Isaiah 65:17).


Peter later wrote, "According to His Promise, we look for a New Heavens and a New Earth where Righteousness dwells"
(2 Peter 3:13).


There is a beautiful description of this Restoration in the latter Visions of Revelation. Revelation 21:1-5;

"And I saw a New Heaven and a New Earth: for the First Heaven and the First Earth were Passed Away; and there was no more sea.


2; "And I John saw the Holy City, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a Bride adorned for her Husband.

3; "And I heard a Great Voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God is with men, and He Will Dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4; "And God Shall Wipe Away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are Passed Away.


5; "And He that Sat upon the Throne said, Behold, I Make all things New. And He said unto me, Write: for these Words are True and Faithful."

The Kingdom was offered to Israel at His first coming, but it was not meant to be.

He came only to Israel for this offer and Israel was to be a Light unto the Gentiles through Christ.

"God will yet choose Israel" the first offer was made that the prophecy may be fulfilled in the future.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
The Kingdom was offered to Israel at His first coming, but it was not meant to be.

He came only to Israel for this offer and Israel was to be a Light unto the Gentiles through Christ.

"God will yet choose Israel" the first offer was made that the prophecy may be fulfilled in the future.

Isaiah 14:1-2

"For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors."
 

JD731

Well-Known Member
There is no reason to continue. I pointed out where I thought your OP was off the mark scripturally, and you do not see any reason to discuss the issues.
The unpardonable sin of Israel took place by "this generation" in the showdown meeting between the Jewish rulers and Jesus Christ in Matthew 12. This was near the end of the 3 1/2 year ministry of Jesus Christ and I refer to this event as crunch time. Note what Matthew said about Jesus Christ in the beginning of his ministry about the kingdom;

Mt 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. (the earthly kingdom, when it comes, will be governed by different laws that under this dispensation of the church that we occupy now are miraculous to us. (These contingencies are associated with the kingdom of God, not the church of Jesus Christ).

Unpardonable sin looked at in Matthew 12.

24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man s house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world (AION = age = time period), neither in the world to come. (showing that God has different principles of divine dealing with men in different ages that he has designed)
Notice this unpardonable sin is associated with the kingdom of God and speaking against the Holy Ghost. Remember, Jesus spoke these words before his sacrifice on the cross where sin was put away by the shedding of his blood. It is also the reason "this generation" occupies such a prominent place in the scriptures. It was this generation of Jesus Christ (this 70 year period of time, which is a generation defined by Moses in Ps 90:10) who were tasked to recognize and receive the Messiah and bring his kingdom in. Guys, look, the kingdom of heaven is at hand up until Mt 12. In Mt 13, because of this unpardonable sin, Jesus went out of the temple to the sea side (significant symbolism) and cursed that generation and transitioned from establishing a physical kingdom with a national salvation to a spiritual kingdom with salvation of the remnant of Jewish believers in Jesus Christ and later gentile believers. There will now be a period of 40 years until this generation passes and the mystery kingdom takes on a gentile character and there is no physical manifestation of either the King or the kingdom.

Let me take you back to a short time before the crisis in Mt 12. Let's go to Mt 10 and see a very significant event taking place concerning the kingdom of heaven. Jesus is choosing from among his disciples who will be his 12 apostles. These men do not understand the honor of this choice but in just a short time Jesus will reveal the eternal connection this 12 men group will have on the Kingdom of God. Check it out here in this conversation between them and Jesus Christ 3 days before he was crucified and rose from the dead.

Mt 19:27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
WOW! Now we see that the kingdom which is "at hand" will be after the pattern of Moses when this people in Egypt was constituted as a nation with a natural birth an the first Passover on the 14th day of the beginning of months. Later, as Moses did, so did Jesus appoint 70 elders to oversee Israel in his cabinet. The second birth of this nation was intended by God to be a national birth and all that was lacking is for Israel to follow Jesus Christ out of the bondage of the Law at the Passover and be baptized in the Spirit. You will see the typology if you look for it. You have a visual.

Lu 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
2 Therefore said he unto them, The harvest truly [is] great, but the labourers [are] few: pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he would send forth labourers into his harvest.
3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.
4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way.
5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace [be] to this house.
6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
8 And into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you, eat such things as are set before you:
9 And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
10 But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
11 Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Mt 10:1 And when he had called unto [him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James [the son] of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James [the son] of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
I believe one will see the unpardonable sin in these verses if he looks and will have a better understanding of what Jesus meant by using that terminology.

I would like to continue and to write about the unclean spirit and the 7 worse spirits. There is so much of the mind of God here to speak about but I know I should break off here in this post because if I get too long you guys will not read it. But be sure of this, the kingdom of God revealed and promised Israel in OT scriptures was surely at hand and Jesus Christ was not lying about it. This was to be the second birth of this nation and people.
 

Van

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I completely disagree that Christ did not come with the gospel of grace for all humanity.

And then He said to them, “You foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! “Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to come into His glory?” Then beginning with Moses and with all the Prophets, He explained to them the things written about Himself in all the Scriptures.

Here Jesus tells them they are not comprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture. The issue between us presented in the OP is in our difference in apprehending the spiritual truths taught in scripture.

The truth presented in our passage is that Christ had to suffer and physically die to provide the sacrifice necessary to make people perfect, without any burden caused by sin. Their understanding of Isaiah 53 was non-existent. But here it is in the NT:

and He said to them, “So it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. Luke 24:46-47 NASB

To all the nations refers to all the people, not just some of the people.
 
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