Lord’s Prayer Updated

[John of Japan]

Jesus was spiritually dead, from the time He took on the sin of humanity, in the garden to the time He rose from the dead, so roughly three days.

"Spiritually dead" does not mean the same as "dead." Are you familiar with the doctrine of trichotomy? We are composed of spirit, soul, and body. The body can be dead while the spirit is alive. The human spirit is where the indwelling Holy Spirit lives, and a born again person, much less our eternal Savior, can never, ever die spiritually.

 

[John of Japan]

when He switched back to being the Son of God.

This too is heresy, something a "progressive Christian" might say. You really need to stop pontificating and start listening to good theology. Being the "Son of God" meant that He was God Himself. Can God stop being God? That is a complete impossibility.

My impression is that your theology is your own; in other words, you didn't learn it from anyone. You just make it up as you go.

 

[John of Japan]

Absolutely, God is three in one, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The same way a man can be a father, husband, manager, preacher and school board member at the same time.

A scholar friend who saw this reminded me that this looks like the ancient heresy of modalism (which I expressed by saying it sounds like the Oneness Pentecostals). You need to fix your trinity doctrine, less it actually be modalism. "The essential idea of this school of thought is that there is one Godhead that may be variously designated as Father, Son, or Spirit. The terms do not stand for real distinctions, but are merely names that are appropriate and applicable at different times. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are identical--they are successive revelations of the same person. The modalistic solution to the paradox of threeness and oneness was, then, not three persons, but one person with three different names, roles or activities" (Millard Erickson, Biblical Theology, 3rd ed., p. 304). Erickson is the leading Baptist systematic theologian nowadays.

Are you a modalist?

 

[Scarlett O.]

I'm going to have to close this thread. I may, before the day is out and thinking it over, delete it entirely.

There are unBiblical teachings here that cannot go on. And I don't wish for lurkers to read any of this and get confused.

Here are the issues.

#1 - The OP - an "update" of the Lord's Prayer - is an alteration of the Lord's Prayer to say something it does not say. That's called heresy. In neither passage found in the Bible, Mark 6 or Luke 11, does Jesus say, "In the mighty name of Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior". That's a lie.

#2 - The Lord's Prayer, from the Bible, is MOST DEFINITELY still as relevant today as the day when Jesus Christ spoke it to people. If it is no longer relevant "because Jesus hadn't risen yet", then the entirety of the Old Testament and bulk of the gospels are not relevant as Jesus had not risen yet. That's not reasonable, not true, and is a hard false teaching.

#3 - Being able to read does not make one a scholar. Nor does having "credentials". I have been reading AND teaching the Bible for well over 40 years and I am NOT a Bible scholar. One part of scholarly possession is how one applies the truths they have been taught. How they LIVE them and teach them. If they possess all of the knowledge and wisdom one can garner, but yet teach lies and present unBiblical heresies, then that person is not a scholar.

#4 - To boast about one's "scholarly" work and how much one knows is sinful and carries a consequence. Proverbs 16:18 = "Pride goes before a destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall." We all struggle with that sometimes - not just the OP here.

#5 - Jesus never died spiritually. The Bible does not say that anywhere. And to assert that it does makes scholarship very shoddy.

#6 - Jesus was NOT, NOT, NOT temporarily - for three days - NOT the Son of God. He did not lose his divinity, his divine nature, his part of the Trinity and then after three days get it back. Jesus, the Messiah, the Christ did NOT "switch back" and forth from God to hell-bound sinner.

#7 - Jesus became sin, but NOT a sinner. The Bible does not teach that ANYWHERE. Even, if for only three days, God made Jesus a "sinner", his death on the cross would have been absolutely worthless.

#8 - The metaphorical "cup" Jesus drank from was NOT the cup of mankind's sins. It was the cup of the wrath of God. So says the Bible. Man's sins and God's wrath are polar opposite things, not the same things.

"What difference does it make?"

It makes the difference between believing God and believing the devil's lies. You can only believe ONE.

Thread closed. Maybe deleted later today. Do not bring these things up again.