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Lordship Salvation volume 2
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That is more or less a quote from a Calvinistic text book. It is why I asked you to quote Scripture instead. God commands all men every where to repent. Acts 17:30 destroys your statement. The only action that God initiates first is the conviction of the Holy Spirit as He works through the Word of God. Faith comes from hearing and hearing from the Word of God. The message must be heard. The Holy Spirit will convict of sin because of the message of the Word of God. Through those two means (the Word of God and the conviction of the Holy Spirit) will a person be saved. God does not give faith to the individual. There is no where in Scripture where that can be verified.
Think that sometimes we all hold to such a system that cannot literally see whatthe Bible is really saying, as we all feed it thru our own "filtering" first, and just understand it as we would like it to be!
What is the ISV?
preacher4truth
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And it says the same in the NASB:
"For to you it has been granted for Christ's sake, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,"
And the KJV:
"For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;"
Not to mention Romans 10:17; 2 Peter 1:1.
it is good to know though here that there are others who do seem to realise that we follow NOT John Calvin, but what we find in the Word of God!
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Yes, where does it say that God gives us faith? It says that we are privileged by grace to believe and to suffer for Christ.
If God gives us faith why was Jesus astounded at the faith He "found" in the Centurion?
Matt 8:10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!
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preacher4truth
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I await proof that the Bible says that we all have inherent faith within us.
The Scriptures are clear it is God's gift, and that it comes from the Word of God. Not from within us. It is external to our nature, given to us to believe unto life.
preacher4truth
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It doesn't say we were privileged by grace.
It says we were granted to both believe and to suffer.
That's an erronsous paraphrase through the lens of error to support your fallacious "theology."
Quit tampering with the Word of God.
If God gives us faith why was Jesus astounded at the faith He "found" in the Centurion?
Matt 8:10 When Jesus heard it, He marveled, and said to those who followed, “Assuredly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith, not even in Israel!
That's a pretty strange version.
"The imaginative element in poetry heightens spiritual insight deepens emotional responsiveness, and broadens a sympathetic communication of the common affirmations of faith."
"Foxes have holes and birds have nests,
but the Son of Man has no place to rest."
preacher4truth
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We interpret that in light of other dogma. Saving faith is the gift of God.
Tells me that we ALL see the Bible sometimes thru "system tinted glasses", in that we try to force the Bible into our views, not switching them to fit what it actually says!
preacher4truth
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The thing is, Jesus spoke, the Centurion was granted belief. He was elect. Faith comes from His Word.
[quote} to push it back though a step further...
The Gosple produces its desired result of producing faith to receive Jesus, but ONLY in the intended receiver of it by God, IE, those whom God has elected for salvation in Christ![/quote]
As we would see that the HS will indeed use the message of the Bible to save and wake up the spiritually dead, but to those whom it is intended for will actually wake up under its powerful effects!
Jesus marveled at the faith that WAS FOUND in the Centurion.
Where does it say that the Centurion was elect?
That's an erroneous paraphrase through the lens of error to support your fallacious "theology."
Quit tampering with the Word of God.
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As the teaching of the truth of election from/by God is NOT "proof texted" from selections passages/verses, but is a consistent theme through the scriptures!
preacher4truth
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You completely miss Jesus' point.
Whenever someone is saved, they are elect. You miss that also. Thus, if he was saved, he had to be elect. I just happen to use a proper hermeneutic to interpret this and come to this truthful conclusion. You? Not so much.
Yes, you tampered with the Word of God and paraphrased eisegetically a meaning that is not there. Congrats. Do that often?
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