Lordship Salvation?

Salvation IS secure. But if you look at the definition, the first one is "unwisely confident". Therefore to be secure is to be insecure, since you're unwisely being secure. Everyone until now has translated the Bible incorrectly. There is no security in our salvation.

Main Entry: 1se·cure
Pronunciation: si-'kyur
Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): se·cur·er; -est
Etymology: Latin securus safe, secure, from se without + cura care -- more at SUICIDE
1 a archaic : unwisely free from fear or distrust : OVERCONFIDENT b : easy in mind : CONFIDENT c : assured in opinion or expectation : having no doubt
2 a : free from danger b : free from risk of loss c : affording safety <a secure hideaway> d : TRUSTWORTHY, DEPENDABLE <a secure foundation>
3 : ASSURED 1 <a secure victory>
- se·cure·ly adverb
- se·cure·ness noun

 

Mind showing a single Kingdom believer on this thread who thinks the Bible is screwed up? I haven't seen any.

 

Not according to John 3:16 it's not. That verse is only for the believing ones. Once a person stops believing then they will perish. Or are you going to try and change that around too?

On wait let me guess. You are one of the well they weren't really saved in the first place folks. Am I right?

 

1) I want to kill a homosexual. (actually the slang term is spelled with one g)
2) I want to burn and inhale a ciggarette.
3) I want to be the one who lights Hog's first stick when we burn him at the stake for being a heretick!


You could also mix and match for fun!

 

Are you sure about that?

Etymology: c.1340, from O.Fr. perpetuel (12c.), from L. perpetualis "universal," in M.L. "permanent," from perpetuus "continuous, universal," from perpetis, gen. of Old L. perpes "lasting," probably from per- "through" + root of petere "to seek, go to, aim at" (see petition). The verb perpetuate is first recorded 1530; perpetuity is from 1406. Perpetual motion is attested from 1593.

Modern English definition: 1.continuing or enduring forever; everlasting. 2.lasting an indefinitely long time: perpetual snow. 3.continuing or continued without intermission or interruption; ceaseless: a perpetual stream of visitors all day. 4.blooming almost continuously throughout the season or the year. –noun 5.a hybrid rose that is perpetual. 6.a perennial plant.
Greek: aenaos - perpetual; ever-flowing

In the LXX, you find this in Genesis 49:26, which talks about everlasting hills. What's going to happen to them when the world is destroyed?

It's in Deuteronomy 33:15. It's talking about mountains again.

You find it in Deuteronomy 33:77, where it's plural. If it means "forever", I wonder why God had to make it plural?

It's in Job 19:25. I don't see "forever" in there.

 

Not too often I amen, npetreley, but AMEN! :thumbs:

I noticed this was never commented on...

 

Rhetoric: It's not just a lot of fun, but it's a good way to ignore what Jesus actually told the young man.

 

Well, you quoted JJump, but where did anyone say that "eternal" means "1,000 years"?

 

JJump said that "in that context" eternal was NOT aionos, therefore not forever, without end, but instead referred to a period of time, the kingdom, which is 1000 years. Thus, in that context eternal=1000 years.

How many times do I have to repeat this? 1000? :laugh:

 

:laugh: I see you spent your nickel wisely!

There's also another one that I won't post because it's offensive, BTW.

 

What are you talking about? Who has ever stopped believing? I don't even understand that concept.
What would it take to make you stop believing that your name is J Jump?

 

1 Timothy 2:17: Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

"Age" is plural. Is he, or is he not, the king of the ages?

 

Are you saying He kingship will end?

 

So, are you saying it's unwise to believe God when he said "Believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved?"

How many other times do you think we should doubt God?

 

Did I say that?

 

No.


He didn't.


And neither has any ME teacher i have ever heard or read. He said aionos means age lasting. And eternal means age lasting.

How ever long the age lasts (context, context, context) that's how age-lasting it is.

It can be the seemingly forever duration of the stop light.

It can be the uninterrupted 1000 year Kingdom age.

It can be the absolutely endless eternal age of ages.


How hard is this? My 6th graders would have already gotten it and moved on.

lacy

 

You implied that. OK, is He only the "King of the ages"?

 

Already 29 pages? Oh my goodness!

Matthew 19:16 says, "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?"

Stop and think. During Jesus' time on earth, was premillennialism doctrine existed in that time? Did ever a rich man hear premillennialism doctrine before he asked Christ?

No question, The rich man understoods 'eternal' means forever without end, even, he believed there is life beyond death.

He was not think of 1000 years, because premillennialism was not yet existed in his time. He only asked Christ what shall he do to have eternal life, which speak of salvation. Christ told him, if he wants to follow him, then he would have to giving up everything what he possessed them, give all them to the poor, then come and to follow Christ. Christ tested on him, because he knew man is rich, and not willing to give up everything, so, therefore hard for him to enter eternal life just like as entering into the narrow road of Matt. 7:13-14.

Premillennialism doctrine, itself was not introduction to religions of the world till late 19th century, that is about almost 1900 years later after the rich man asked Christ.

Premillennialism was introduction while dispensationalism and pretribulationism both were born same time.

That why there are so many divisions among Churches on these.

I rather listening what the early Church fathers believed, and follow what the Bible actual saying than what men saying according Colossians 2:8.

I cannot understand why some of you cannot understand the simple verse of John 3:16 says, 'eternal or everlasting life'? Are you spiritual blind? Huh?

Also, in 1 John 2:25 say: "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life."

It doesn't say, "And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even 1000 years life."

You cannot twist, or removed, or added God's Word, what it actual saying. Accept what it saying. Believe it.

And in 1 John 5:11-13 say: "And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in Son. He that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

This passage doesn't saying about millennial. This is talking about salvation.

This passage doesn't saying, "And this is the record, that God hath given to us a thousand years life, and this temporarily is in Son. He that hath the Son hath temporarily, and he that not the Son of God hath not millennial life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God, that ye may know that you have temporarily life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God."

You cannot twist, or added, or removed words from God's Word. You have to accept it, and believe it.

Read this passage is not hard for you. Why cannot you understand this passage? Are you spiritual blind? Huh?

Throughout the four gospels, Jesus Christ never teaching to his disciples on millennial kingdom, because he never use term, 'a thousand years'. Not even, Christ used 'kingdom' means 1000 years either.

Christ simple telling us, anyone who believe in Christ, will never go to hell, but have eternal life. It is so very simple, you have to accept and believe what He actual saying. Why don't you listen to Christ's saying? Are you spiritual blind?

Have a nice day! God bless you.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

All of them.

How do you reconcile this Biblical truth (the Kingdom is everlasting). . .

. . . with this one (It is limited induration to 1000 years):

 

Let's make this an extreme example.

You met JJump. He's a nice guy, and you and his wife and family spent a weekend in the Castskills, and had a grand ol' time.

Well, you went on this way, corresponding with him, fellowshipping with him, etc.

The, one day, your friend Betty Sue saw him and said, "Hey, I think he looks like that mafia informant who is in the witness protection program."

Suddenly, you start doubting that JJump is JJump at all, and is really Little Nicky Mafioso.

Then, one day, you see a photo, while a little blurry, certainly looks like JJump standing over a corpse holding a gun.

Do you stop believing that JJump is a nice guy, and start believing that he's really Little Nicky and is a murderer?