Wrong, DHK. I have followed this board for a long time. Posters have said they DO use Chick Publications. Just because you don't read Chick Publications doesn't mean other do not. You don't like it brought up because you know that Chick is resorting to dishonesty and lies to make their case. Why do you think that is, DHK?
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MacArthur's Ignorant Misrepresentation of Catholic Teaching
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Wrong, DHK. I have followed this board for a long time. Posters have said they DO use Chick Publications. Just because you don't read Chick Publications doesn't mean other do not. You don't like it brought up because you know that Chick is resorting to dishonesty and lies to make their case. Why do you think that is, DHK?
You are being dishonest.
I don't use Chick. I don't care what Chick uses. He is not accountable to me. He is accountable to God. Why do you ask me?
You are being dishonest in accusing us in alleging that we use him, when we don't. I suggest that you back off.
Hello again,
Trying again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWTTImpKPc&feature=related
Okay, was able to insert the link anyway.
Just wondering what your take on this is.
As I said, this was posted by a staunch Catholic, and he believes it to be true (which is why he posted it).
God bless.
Trying again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWTTImpKPc&feature=related
Okay, was able to insert the link anyway.
Just wondering what your take on this is.
As I said, this was posted by a staunch Catholic, and he believes it to be true (which is why he posted it).
God bless.
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Any "church" that knowingly uses and/or endorse Jack Chick and the garbage he puts out needs to have the very word removed from the sign out front. Chick is a real lunatic way out beyond the fringe. His "reality" has nothing to do with anything else in this world... much like his "facts" that he uses.
MacArthur doesn't have to try very hard to trash the RCC. Even the very stuff you have post along the way in a myriad of threads is enough to do that, Lori.
MacArthur doesn't have to try very hard to trash the RCC. Even the very stuff you have post along the way in a myriad of threads is enough to do that, Lori.
Trying again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBWTTImpKPc&feature=related
Okay, was able to insert the link anyway.
Just wondering what your take on this is.
As I said, this was posted by a staunch Catholic, and he believes it to be true (which is why he posted it).
God bless.
There is a 'lunatic fringe' within and outside of the Catholic Church. They claim to be devout Catholics but often buy into radicalism such as what you see on this video. Here is another group (outside of the Catholic Church) that makes similar claims:
http://www.cmri.org/
Remember, these people (CMRI) are NOT part of the Catholic Church. They are schismatic.
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athe false teaching of purgatory denies the perfect once for all time sacrifice of Jesus
This is a common Protestant misconception of Purgatory. The teaching in no way 'denies the sufficiency of the Atonement'.
BillySunday1935
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Are you sanctified yet, Iconoclast? If not then how are you going to be perfected? After all, one must be sanctified in order for one to be perfected - at least according to verse 14 in the above?
Peace!
What would be the point of purgatory?
A man spends 70 years a Christian being sanctified by the Holy Spirit and then he dies and needs some more sanctifying time after he leaves this world?
So what is the difference between earthly sanctification by the Holy Spirit and purgatory sanctification by the Holy Spirit?
God just needs some more time to work on you? For what reason? To make you REALLY, REALLY, REALLY understand your a sinner?
Who cares to argue what it is supposedly for when purgatory is a fairytale to begin with?
This is a horribly inappropriate statement.
Lori, has been here for some time. I think she can recognize a little sarcasm once in a while.
I don't know how Iconoclast would answer that, but I am sanctified. I have been since the day I was born again. Jesus fully, 100% sanctified me, made me perfectly holy, justified me completely, clothed me with a cloak of righteousness, so that when God looks down on me, he no longer sees me, he sees the cloak of the righteousness of Jesus Christ covering me. My sins are under the blood. He sees them no longer. He only sees the righteous of Jesus Christ.
Sanctified means "set apart." And that is what Christ did when I was saved. He set me apart, and made me holy.
Rather it shows the lack of understanding of salvation on the part of the RCC. You have it backwards.
If Purgatory is real, Christ failed on the cross.
If Purgatory is real, Christ's blood was not sufficient enough to pay the penalty for our sins.
If Purgatory is real, then the statement of Christ, "It is finished," is a lie.
If Purgatory is real, then Christ died for our sins in vain.
If Purgatory is real, then why does one still have to pay part of the penalty of their sins (being purged) in purgatory, when Christ already paid the penalty in full? This doctrine totally contradicts the atonement of Christ.
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone that asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence. This means set apart......you know Jesus is perfect.
BobRyan
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Purgatory and indulgences are doctrines that go hand-in-glove. The argument for indulgences is that someone else becomes your substitute - paying the debt that you owe by their own sufferings. The Catholic church refers to it as the "excess suffering" of the saints that have lived suffered and died before our time.
IF the indulgence idea is correct - and one is released from the debt of suffering that they owe in purgatory via the suffering of someone else applied in your stead - granted to them via the mechanism of Catholic indulgences - then indeed the atonement of Christ - availed of in this life was "insufficient" to get you out of purgatory to start with and you needed "something else" to solve your purgatory debt of suffering owed.
in Christ,
Bob
This has become yet another thread on Purgatory. The OP focuses on 'false accusations'. Maybe someone wants to begin yet another thread on Purgatory.
Anyway, Christ atonement saves us from Hell. Don't equate Hell with Purgatory. Purgatory is not 'a place', it is a process whereby we gain 'union with God'. I'd use the word divinization, but it might be misread for divination and of course that is another critter. If you don't understand 'theosis' you won't understand Purgatory and/or the scriptures pertaining to it.
Anyway, Christ atonement saves us from Hell. Don't equate Hell with Purgatory. Purgatory is not 'a place', it is a process whereby we gain 'union with God'. I'd use the word divinization, but it might be misread for divination and of course that is another critter. If you don't understand 'theosis' you won't understand Purgatory and/or the scriptures pertaining to it.
BobRyan
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Well - you are the one that brought up purgatory - so that is how I got to that point.
I agree that the context for purgatory is suffering before heaven and not a discussion about hell.
But you also brought up the idea that purgatory has no implication about atonement - and so that is why I ask about that substitutionary payment model of indulgences as it applies to purgatory - and how that is linked to the substitutionary atonement doctrine regarding Christ.
If you prefer not to answer it here - we can start another thread.
in Christ,
Bob