What about 'Herald' and 'MorseOp'?
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Man Saved Out of Calvinism Gives Testimony at SBC
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Hey! At least he mentioned the bible this time! That's an improvement!
Reformed.
Iconoclast.
tyndale1946.
Rippon.
The Archangel.
thatbrian.
Rhetorician.
Yeshua1.
Dr. Bob.
And several more.
What is typical is you attacking what you do not understand, as you oppose truth along with your friend Leighton.
I am completely on the same page with TC on particular redemption. His list is accurate also.
SovereignGrace at one time opposed those things as well but he now understands it.
not sure about kyred...he could be a universalist
Annsni and Martin Marprelate.And several more.
I don’t believe we can say the man “lied” about being saved while a Calvinist, although by his testimony he had wrongly believed he was saved. This problem of relying on a theological system (whether Calvinism, Arminianism, or any other doctrine) rather than repentance and belief in the gospel of Jesus Christ is (IMHO) a very real issue. I believe many who hold correct doctrine will stand before Christ on “that day” only to be told they were never known as His. I pray many more will be “saved out of Calvinism” (and “Arminianism”, etc.) and into Christ regardless as to the soteriological understanding they adopt.
The Archangel
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I don't think this is a fair assessment. We know it is possible to be self-deceived about our own salvation (ie. not everyone who says Lord, Lord will enter the Kingdom of heaven). But what you're saying here is that he knew he was a non-believer and was intentionally perpetrating a deception. That's a bridge too far based on the evidence of his own testimony. It is clear he thought he was "saved."
The Archangel
No HS then
There are many moreReformed.
Iconoclast.
tyndale1946.
Rippon.
The Archangel.
thatbrian.
Rhetorician.
Yeshua1.
Dr. Bob.
And several more.
How do you get universalist? That should make him laughI am completely on the same page with TC on particular redemption. His list is accurate also.
SovereignGrace at one time opposed those things as well but he now understands it.
not sure about kyred...he could be a universalist
How bout Greek Tim and old man and Sovereign Grace
His having lied is just a flat out false accusation. Shame on you guys
They trotted him out in this dog and pony show to take a shot at the teaching they oppose.
You posted it for the same reason.
So this man's experience is meant to guide the way rather than scripture.
This is why many of these churches remain weak and immature as they do not grow in grace or the knowledge of the Lord.
They substitute tradition and external gimmicks.
1689Dave
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I'm glad I ran across this thread. I hope I do not offend anyone. But I believe people can arrive at the truth two ways. One by divine revelation of the scriptures. And two, by logic alone. That is, if you are right on Augustine's doctrine of Total Depravity, using nothing more than unregenerate logic, you can arrive at the 5 Points of Calvinism. And possibly it was in this atmosphere the deluded man came to question his beliefs.
On the other hand when I experienced the new birth and filling of the Holy Spirit, I had never been so happy in my life. But I was unable to understand my experience until exposed by accident to the Doctrine of Particular Redemption. I was in a church where they were teaching against Limited Atonement. But when they defined it using Thomas & Steele's 5 Points of Calvinism book, I heard the doctrine for the first time. And knew then my faith was proof God saved me, because I could not believe or have the fruit of the Holy Spirit in my heart, had Jesus not died for me.
On the other hand when I experienced the new birth and filling of the Holy Spirit, I had never been so happy in my life. But I was unable to understand my experience until exposed by accident to the Doctrine of Particular Redemption. I was in a church where they were teaching against Limited Atonement. But when they defined it using Thomas & Steele's 5 Points of Calvinism book, I heard the doctrine for the first time. And knew then my faith was proof God saved me, because I could not believe or have the fruit of the Holy Spirit in my heart, had Jesus not died for me.
I agree. Those were just off the top of my head.
He lied to himself?
No. He could have been mistaken. Perhaps he mistook Calvinism for the gospel itself. People can know about Christ without knowing him. I have heard testimonies of pastors who believed themselves saved before they were actually saved.
So have I. They believed, but some "holier than thou" Lordship Salvationist told him if he didn't live exactly like the Lordship Salvationist it was proof he wasn't really saved. And the moron believed him.
If you believe Christ died on the cross for your sins, was buried, and rose from the dead you are saved. No matter what the legalists say. God says that is the Gospel by which you are saved.
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