salzer mtn
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Where do people get the idea that responsibility equals ability ?
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Man's Ability to Repent
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convicted1
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As Brother Reformed previously posted, ignorance of the law is no excuse when standing before a judge. Same goes with sinners before God...
That's not what Paul meant when he said the Law is our schoolmaster.
convicted1
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Well, what did Apostle Paul mean?
That's a very legitimate question, one seriously deserving an answer from somebody
He meant that under the Old Covenant, BELIEVERS were browbeaten by the demands of the Law. Strict requirements which could never make anyone righteous. Those demands were pointing toward the righteousness of Christ.
But now Christ has come, He the end of the Law for righteousness for everyone who believes.
The just shall live by faith.
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Thank you. I vehemently disagree with your stance, but that's not what this thread is about, so I won't derail it. Thanks again. :thumbsup:
salzer mtn
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I agree if you mean this. I read what the law demands to be righteous before God. The law is Holy and the commandments holy, just and good. But I also see that I cannot keep the law in word, thought or deed because of the weakness of the flesh, Rom 8:3 The motions of sin which were by the law stirs up my sin and I bring forth fruit unto death, Rom 7:5 My sin is like dust on the floor of a house and a broom is like the law which when it is used to sweep out the dust it only stirs it up. I realize I cannot be saved by keeping the law, I realize all hope is gone. Then suddenly the Spirit opens my mind to Christ who kept the law and worked out a perfect righteousness, not for himself but for all those that would believe on him is this righteousness imputed to their account so they can now say Christ is my righteousness, Jer 23:6 Isa 45:24 Rom 4:6, Rom 4:11, 5:17
Pelagius.
They don't actually get it from Pelagius, but they walk in his shoes, when they reason that way.
Pelagius reasoned that if God demanded it, it must be possible. He used human reasoning in an attempt to gain understanding vs allowing Gods Word to provide him understanding.
His teaching was declared heresy, but, out of ignorance mostly, countless people believe the very same thing he did today. In fact, there are more than a couple of folks on BB who believe this. I myself did for 1/3 of my Christian life, as well.
All of these issues have been debated and resolved in church history, but the average evangelical doesn't read much, and if he does, he doesn't get deeper than, 40 Days of Purpose. . .
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Thanks for another helpful and solid post Brian. Your posts are helpful.:thumbs:
Thanks, Brother.
It's not hard to understand man's responsibility in light of his inability to repent if you hold to a covenant/federalism view of sin and redemption. Adam definitely had the ability to not sin and he messed it up for the race.
I completely agree. Once you grasp that, it clears up tons.
It's not a task. If it were a task, then it would be a work that you perform.
Ephesians 2:8-9
Then take a look at Romans 10.
Ever and anon, the argument is, Why doth He yet find fault, for who hath resisted His will?
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18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
18 So then he hath mercy on whom he will, and whom he will be hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he still find fault? For who withstandeth his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why didst thou make me thus?
21 Or hath not the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?
22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering vessels of wrath fitted unto destruction:
23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he afore prepared unto glory,
24 even us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles? Ro 9
Give your life to God (please capitalize the names of things for which you have respect) -- do it. Wholeheartedly support you.
Stomp hell for a living -- do it. Wholeheartedly support you.
Get baptized again-- why? That word "again" is where I hold up. Just would like that explained a bit more.
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