Look, I know you haven't taken an ounce of logic in your life, or you would have understood what I just pointed out to you.I guess I would understand that a bit more if you could point me to examples of Jesus or the Apostle Paul using English.
Righhhht....
There not just as the Trinity, Hypostatic union, alter calls, etc. That's one reason why I don't use the Bible as my only source - the other is because the Bible never says such a thing about itself. Here we go off topic again.
WM
Did Christ and Paul speak English or Greek? It was Greek. The NT was written in Greek. We are dealing with Greek words, of which the word trinity does not fall, neither such words as latria. You won't find these words in the NT. You wont find your English words in a Greek NT, nor the words that you claim are Greek in the Greek NT. So your case is closed. You have no case. It is thrown out. You have no leg to stand on. The Greek word for prayer is used only as worship. It is not used in any other way. We do not compare to pagan societies, other cultures, especially our modern culture where English words have changed meaning. We go back to the Word of God, written in the Greek NT. That is our authority. And in that you have failed.
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Marian Apparitions
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WestminsterMan
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Might I point out two things here:
1) This is the appropriate forum for these discussions.
2) The OP is about Marian Apparitions - Catholic Doctrine and beliefs regarding same.
Clearly, this thread is bouncing all over the place but that's due to the nature of the majority of postings. If you would read and participate in the discussion you might have recognized that fact. There's no spreading of "false" teaching here. Have you ever stopped to think that you are supposed to be capable of contributing to an intellectually thought provoking discussion and simply not snipping from the sidelines? That says a lot about you p4t.
Man - you are a real piece of work!
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preacher4truth
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Pejorative much?
Leave these things for teachings, not persons? Doing otherwise reflects on who you are, or, says a lot about you.
More fairy tales.
Let me point out one thing here: Your religion is full of them.
WestminsterMan
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Are we cross?
So you say! I don't hold to Sola Scriptura, so you can claim that we are going back to the Greek NT all you want; however, that is a trip that you take by yourself. Look, Sola Scripture is a man-made doctrine. Therefore, I do not feel the need to defend a doctrine to which I do not hold. That would be your task, and one I might add, in which you have failed.
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WestminsterMan
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Pointing it out is fine -- proving it is yet another matter. I have your number p4t and I think most here have.
preacher4truth
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Pointing it out is fine -- proving it is yet another matter. I have your number p4t and I think most here have.
Your fairy tales have been proven oft enough here.
2Ti_4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Carry on in your fables and pejoratives towards individuals.
Those who know the truth see through your fabricated tales.
WestminsterMan
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Just to be clear... I'm not Catholic - I'm Baptist and I've heard this garbage from many like yourself all of my life. This is just more religious bigotry rearing its ugly head.
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preacher4truth
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If you don't go to the Scriptures you don't have a leg to stand upon and you find yourself in quite a comical and yet sorrowful situation. It goes like this:Are we cross?
So you say! I don't hold to Sola Scriptura, so you can claim that we are going back to the Greek NT all you want; however, that is a trip that you take by yourself. Look, Sola Scripture is a man-made doctrine. Therefore, I do not feel the need to defend a doctrine to which I do not hold. That would be your task, and one I might add, in which you have failed.
WM
Hinduism is older than Christianity. So let's use Hinduism for our source for prayer. Of course we are still talking about the RCC which claims to be Christian, but we can go to Hinduism for its roots because we do not believe in sola scriptura, right? Paganism or any other thing under the sun can become our authority because we can deviate from what the Bible says--even though we claim to be Christian. Why not use "the Granth" of the Sikhs? Their writings are quite voluminous and come in many different languages. You could also resort to the Book of Mormon. Ask the angel, Moroni, to give you guidance. Isn't that intercession?
Once you depart from sola scriptura, the truth of the Word of God, where do you end up? I thought you claimed to be a Christian, or at least from a Christian religion? Don't all religions follow their own sacred writings? Hmmm.
WestminsterMan
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Big news... that has happened all throughout the history of the Church and everyone does it. Calvin, Luther, the RCC, etc. Hmmm...
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WestminsterMan
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No - someone without intellectual rigor who spouts off regulalry with meaningless platitudes is a waste of band width. Who the heck are you to pass judgement on anyone here? You obviously have nothing better to do. I have some suggestions...
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WestminsterMan
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What you end up with is the fullness of the truth. For example, do you not take culture into account when reading the scripture? What about history? According to Sola Scriptura scripture is the SOLE authority, yet it never says that about itself.
I'm not disputing scripture as truth and as tthe word of God; yet I also understand that people have a tendency to embellish the meaning of scripture to suit there own beliefs and ends. I guess you could call me a prima-scriptura kind-of-a-guy.
WM
I am sure you have heard my testimony many times.
I am a missionary. I go to third world nations, often Muslim nations. The culture is vastly different. I must take into account the culture. But the Bible is always the same. We read the English Bible, and if need be it is translated into their language. That doesn't change the meaning or the message. The Bible still becomes the sole authority. They still learn about the kings, the land of Canaan, the judges, the time of Christ, and all there is to know. What do you think the Great Commission is all about?
What does the Bible say about itself.
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Study to show yourselves approved...
Search the Scriptures...
He that readeth...
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth...
Wherewithal shall a young man cleanse his way? By taking heed thereto according to thy Word.
Teach them all things whatsoever I have commanded you.
The Word was the guideline. It was set to see if anything was true or false.
That is the way the Bereans used it in Acts 17:11. It was their sole authority. 2Tim.3:16 makes the claim that it is the inspired word of God. No other book is inspired as the Bible is inspired. Thus it is our guideline, our authority.
When you say SOLE, I mean FINAL authority, as in final authority in all matters of faith and practice. Certainly it cannot be the only authority in Math and science, those things which it does not teach. Yet at the same time I don't believe that science contradicts that which the Bible has to say.
So what ? If you can show it in scripure, why not title it ?
Again, it's a reach. It is not comparable to making up a fairy tale that can be shown nowhere.
WestminsterMan
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Yup. Nowhere in scripture.
WestminsterMan
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Well, I don't have a problem with that. But, then again, I don't hold to Sola Scriptura.
WM
And that's the root of the problem.
There is enough scripture to completely shred every aspect of mariolatry, so you MUST treat man's word as God's.
Scripture bans images, but your's are ok.
Scripture bans praying to the dead, but not for you guys.
Scripture says not to add to scripture, but you have Mary being an eternal virgin, and interceeding for us in heaven, even being assumed into heaven, without pain, or death.
There is enough scripture to completely shred every aspect of mariolatry, so you MUST treat man's word as God's.
Scripture bans images, but your's are ok.
Scripture bans praying to the dead, but not for you guys.
Scripture says not to add to scripture, but you have Mary being an eternal virgin, and interceeding for us in heaven, even being assumed into heaven, without pain, or death.
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