Did he know what his brothers were doing? Did he hear his brother's prayers? No. He just now regretted his entire life and wanted to warn others. That's all. No need think he was interceding now saying that his brothers are turning from their sins and he is bringing their prayers to God. That's making up stories.
-
Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Marian Apparitions
- Thread starter Zenas
- Start date
- Status
Did he know what his brothers were doing? Did he hear his brother's prayers? No. He just now regretted his entire life and wanted to warn others. That's all. No need think he was interceding now saying that his brothers are turning from their sins and he is bringing their prayers to God. That's making up stories.
WestminsterMan
New Member
Not really. The root of the problem is the arrogance of many Christians who believe that their personal fallable interpretations should govern the beliefs of other Christians.
Personally, I could care less what you believe about me as I'm comfortable with my ultimate destination. But you might want to consider that God might actually consider your presumptuous arrogance to be more distasteful, more offensive, than any so called sins that you accuse a simple devoute Catholic of who faithfully follows the teaching of the Church.
May God have mercy on you all.
WM
Interpret ? Fallable ? Please.
Considered, and rejected on the grounds that they come from an angry, bitter catholic, who cannot justify the R.C.C.'s utter rejection of scripture.
WestminsterMan
New Member
I addressed this in post #213.
WestminsterMan
New Member
As I said, I am not a Catholic and if you continue with this, I can only assume that you are calling me a liar. Beware, as this is a violation of forum rules.
Ultimately, you are accountable only to God as am I. As I said, I neither ask nor do I require approval by you or anyone but God. If you have a problem with that then you'll just have to deal with it however you can.
You know I really pity you... What a terrible life you must have living with such hate in your heart against other Christians. But, I will continue to pray for you and for your salvation.
WM
First of all, I never saw you say that. Second, having not seen that, why WOULDN'T I assume you were catholic ? No big deal. You are angry about something.
But can the hate stuff. You are the bitter dude, around here. You pity me ? I kinda chuckle about you.
But can the hate stuff. You are the bitter dude, around here. You pity me ? I kinda chuckle about you.
It is great fun for me to anger RCC apologists, with simple questions.
The fact is, the RCC accepts extra-biblical revelation. That means they will never be able to settle an argument with people who hold scripture as THE authority.
Speculate about me and what kind of awful person I must be all you want. That's just silly & pathetic. It may border on a personal attack, which is also against the rules. But I don't report many posts.
But it comes down to us putting up scripture, and you throwing insults. Often does.
The fact is, the RCC accepts extra-biblical revelation. That means they will never be able to settle an argument with people who hold scripture as THE authority.
Speculate about me and what kind of awful person I must be all you want. That's just silly & pathetic. It may border on a personal attack, which is also against the rules. But I don't report many posts.
But it comes down to us putting up scripture, and you throwing insults. Often does.
WestminsterMan
New Member
Chuckle away. But I can see that many of you here hold the Catholics in such contempt as to border on hate.
I hate no one. Yet I am concerned with what really appears to be hate for the Catholic Church here. Do you deny that you harbour such feelings for the Church? If not, then I apologize. If so, then I am vindicated.
WM
It's not catholics I hate. Again with the words in my mouth, I see. Tsk, tsk...
It's the false church they follow that I detest.
I do hate the church. Sorry you take that so personally. Like I said, you need some purdy thick skin to hang in the "gasoline & firecracker faactory". (That's what this forum was called in the old days.)
WestminsterMan
New Member
Well, I'm not a RCC apologist, so that doesn't apply to me.
I cannot speak for Catholics, only for me. However, I need not defend something to which I do not hold. I can just as easily state you will never be able to settle an argument with people who hold that scripture isn't the sole authority. See?
Where did I call you an "...awful person". I didn't.
I never insulted anyone. I simply posited the idea that God might find your attacks on Catholics repugnant.
WM
WestminsterMan
New Member
If you hate the Catholic Church, then you do indeed hate individual Catholics as they ARE the Church. You might as well own up to it... Be a man and say what you really believe.
Why apologize for something unless you believe you are wrong? As I said, I stand vindicated. You do have hate in your heart against the Church. As to having a thick skin, I can handle anything on a personal level. I've been in many a bar fight in my time. However, picking on fellow Christians who have little representation here appears cowardly.
WM
God has much more hate against Harlot Rome and her doctrines and those demons who perpetrate them dressed in human flesh than all the righteous indignation of His people:
1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
Ummm....ok.
That's weird because I come across Christians who think that what you believe comes from the pit of Hell, too, and that what they believe about what you believe is supported 110% by the Bible too. How one is supposed to judge between such two conflicting views of the Bible is a problem, isn't it?
Hopefully a polite reply :smilewinkgrin:: hypostatic union is the technical theological term to describe the relationship between Jesus' humanity and His Divinity. Hypostasis is the Greek word used eg: in Heb 11:1 to describe faith, there usually translated 'substance'; it also crops up earlier in the epistle at 1:3, where it's use relates to the relationship between the Son and the Father; indeed the sense conveyed by that usage was adopted by the First Councils of Nicaea (325) and Constantinople (381) to describe the union of the Father and the Son ("being of one substance with the Father"). Moving on conciliarly, as it were, to the next century, that was then taken up with exactly how Jesus' humanity and Divinity inter-related. Some, like Nestorius, advocated the view that Jesus had two Personalities, one human, the other Divine, and that Mary was only the mother of the human Person. Others like Eutyches, went to the other extreme, arguing that that there was just one Person and that He had one Nature, equally human and Divine. Orthodox (with a small 'o' for these purposes) have consistently rejected both of these extreme positions, the theologically correct position being that Jesus is one Person - Christ, the Son of God and God the Son - with two Natures - one human and one Divine - which are fused totally in His one Person, the technical term being used to describe that fusion being - you guessed it! - 'hypostatic union'. Incidentally, it is at this point you first here the term theotokos being used to describe Mary in widespread use, initially is opposition to the Nestorians as a Christological rather than Mariological term.
[ETA: that's why I was getting so exercised by the earlier posts of the Biblicist about the Incarnation of Jesus, since what he was posting appeared on the face of it to strike at the heart of the whole hypostatic union concept which is key to the Incarnation.]
[ETA#2: I see now that you've looked it up ]
Last edited by a moderator:
WestminsterMan
New Member
Bibli..I think you're applying those verses to the wrong whore. Most probably it was referencing Jerusalem who had sold out to the Romans. I think there are seven hills there as well.
See how easily confused you beliefs get when filtered through such biased garbage?
WM
No, it is not a problem. Because those who are wrong will do exactly what you are doing - philosophize, instead of demonstrating from the text as I did. God is not the author of confusion and the Biblical text will not support confusion. I presented my case on the basis of the text, if you believe my interpretation is wrong present the textual data or be quiet until you can!
When John speaks of Jerusalem as the "great city" he symbolizes it as "Sodom and Egypt" not "Mystery Babylon":
Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
However, when he speaks of Rome as the "great city" he defines it in such terms that only fools could not see as Rome was the ONLY Great city that sits on seven hills and is reigning over the kings of the earth at the time he wrote:
Rom. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.
Only pure theological bias can deny this is Rome.
1. This text does not say this city is reigning over ALL the kings of the earth but Jerusalem was reigning over NONE - ZERO - ZILCH kings when he wrote this.
2. This city killed the apostles plural but Jerusalem killed ONE apostle.
This Woman is a liar and and deceiver and that is precisely what we can expect of her apologists.
These other Christians say exectly the same thing! And they will say that you are philisophizing etc. All you can say in return is "you're wrong, the Word of God says...". And all they can say to you is the same. It's a total dialogue of the deaf. It leaves the outside observer such as myself none the wiser as to which of you, if either, 'has the truth'.
Thanks, but you're in no position to give rude orders to other posters like that.
Put up or shut up! You are in no position to make false charges that you can't support. If you or your so-called "Christians" you claim assert what you claim they assert then bring it on or stop mouthing hot air!
- Status