Marriage preparation

[Olivencia]

I think many Fundamentalists are right when it comes to the roles of women. They ought to be well prepared for their roles as wives and mothers. Higher education shouldn't be encouraged as much as it is. Qualities such as keeping the house clean and orderly as well as learning how to cook delicious meals ought to be way up there on the priority list. If in college they ought to also pursue their MRS degree (Mrs. = marriage). We've lost so much with brainwashing them to maintain this "What about my rights attitude"!

A good book to read relating to this is by Elizabeth Rice Handford entitled, "Me? Obey Him?" Although I wouldn't agree with everything in it I think it is a very good read.

 

[Scarlett O.]

I think many Fundamentalists are right when it comes to the roles of women. They ought to be well prepared for their roles as wives and mothers. Higher education shouldn't be encouraged as much as it is. Qualities such as keeping the house clean and orderly as well as learning how to cook delicious meals ought to be way up there on the priority list. If in college they ought to also pursue their MRS degree (Mrs. = marriage). We've lost so much with brainwashing them to maintain this "What about my rights attitude"!

A good book to read relating to this is by Elizabeth Rice Handford entitled, "Me? Obey Him?" Although I wouldn't agree with everything in it I think it is a very good read.

There was no need to paranthetically explain what an "MRS" degree is. Everyone knows what that means.

 

[matt wade]

Higher education shouldn't be encouraged as much as it is.

Yeah...we wouldn't want our women educated!

Of course, this is from the same guy that claims to know how to handle women and show them their place. The same guy that doesn't like American women, so he want to the Philippines where he could find women that would act the way he wants (for his money of course).

Pathetic.

 

[Olivencia]

Yeah...we wouldn't want our women educated!

--> You call what the colleges dish out (yes including many Christian colleges) eduaction?


Of course, this is from the same guy that claims to know how to handle women and show them their place.

--> I show them what the Bible says.

The same guy that doesn't like American women, so he want to the Philippines where he could find women that would act the way he wants (for his money of course).

--> Whatever it takes to find a submissive wife. Women anywhere aren't interested in money?

--> Now that is really pathetic to believe otherwise. Go back under the rock you crawled out of.

 

[go2church]

Barefoot and pregnant, that's the way I likes my womenfolk.
Pretty funny stuff

 

[Mexdeaf]

Yeah...we wouldn't want our women educated!

--> You call what the colleges dish out (yes including many Christian colleges) eduaction?


Of course, this is from the same guy that claims to know how to handle women and show them their place.

--> I show them what the Bible says.

The same guy that doesn't like American women, so he want to the Philippines where he could find women that would act the way he wants (for his money of course).

--> Whatever it takes to find a submissive wife. Women anywhere aren't interested in money?

--> Now that is really pathetic to believe otherwise. Go back under the rock you crawled out of.

You have a lot to learn. And FYI I am a happily married (soon to be 30 years) man. You are an embarrassment to the species.

Biblically, women are not to be beat into submission but loved into it.

 

[Jkdbuck76]

Is it time to close this thread down? raying:

 

[Alcott]

Master of Radioactivity Science?
Mistress of Rebellion to Submission?
Missing the Reason for Studies?

 

[Olivencia]

You have a lot to learn.

--> Not from you.


And FYI I am a happily married (soon to be 30 years) man.

--> Yeah so?

You are an embarrassment to the species.

--> Are you really a man? Better double check

Biblically, women are not to be beat into submission but loved into it.

--> Nice strawman. Where have I ever asserted as such? Never. What a moronic joke.


bye bye

 

[Mexdeaf]

You have a lot to learn.

--> Not from you.


And FYI I am a happily married (soon to be 30 years) man.

--> Yeah so?

You are an embarrassment to the species.

--> Are you really a man? Better double check

Biblically, women are not to be beat into submission but loved into it.

--> Nice strawman. Where have I ever asserted as such? Never. What a moronic joke.


bye bye

Sadly, this is the type of response that I expected from you.

Since you asked, here's what you said in your own words, to a brother who is having marriage problems:

"I'd put my foot down and say and no way! Give it back to her man. I'll tell ya, this is the prime reason I came to the Philippines. I was so sick and tired of this "What about my rights attitude"!
You gotta take control man. Lay down the law. If she don't like it then tough cookies. You don't deserve for her to treat you like garbage. So oftentimes with women you have to take the I don't care approach. Thing is, you have done enough to get along and to pacify her rants. Now is the time to speak up! And speak up loudly! They only understand (and respect) a guy when he resorts to doing things like this.
Hey, the more you do the more she is going to complain. The situation will not improve. Change it!
Don't submit to the intimidation!"

Yeah, that's real love all right...

 

[sag38]

On one end of the extreme you have radical feminism. On the other end you have radical Olivenciaism. Both are un-Biblical.

 

[annsni]

Sadly, this is the type of response that I expected from you.

Since you asked, here's what you said in your own words, to a brother who is having marriage problems:

"I'd put my foot down and say and no way! Give it back to her man. I'll tell ya, this is the prime reason I came to the Philippines. I was so sick and tired of this "What about my rights attitude"!
You gotta take control man. Lay down the law. If she don't like it then tough cookies. You don't deserve for her to treat you like garbage. So oftentimes with women you have to take the I don't care approach. Thing is, you have done enough to get along and to pacify her rants. Now is the time to speak up! And speak up loudly! They only understand (and respect) a guy when he resorts to doing things like this.
Hey, the more you do the more she is going to complain. The situation will not improve. Change it!
Don't submit to the intimidation!"

Yeah, that's real love all right...

Thank you Mexdeaf - I was JUST going to look for that quote. You saved me time.

So instead I'll say "What Mexdeaf said!"

 

[annsni]

I think many Fundamentalists are right when it comes to the roles of women. They ought to be well prepared for their roles as wives and mothers. Higher education shouldn't be encouraged as much as it is. Qualities such as keeping the house clean and orderly as well as learning how to cook delicious meals ought to be way up there on the priority list. If in college they ought to also pursue their MRS degree (Mrs. = marriage). We've lost so much with brainwashing them to maintain this "What about my rights attitude"!

A good book to read relating to this is by Elizabeth Rice Handford entitled, "Me? Obey Him?" Although I wouldn't agree with everything in it I think it is a very good read.

I'm making sure my children are educated because God has not told me whether or not they have been called to singleness and that He will not use the skills they learn in college (in addition to education, they learn discipline, solidify their foundation and learn to learn) in ministry or marriage. ALL of my children - boys and girls alike - are learning to cook, clean, manage a household, manage finances, fix a car, do basic repairs and any other thing that they will do in life.

I am not sending my daughters to college to get an MRS degree because I do not feel that is what college is for. If they happen to meet a man in college, that is fine, but they are going to be prepared to support themselves in the future. They need to be able to take care of themselves until such time as God calls them to marriage which may be at 20 like their mother or at 50 like some other women I know. Or God may call them to use their skills (my older girls are both majoring in education - my oldest in art and my young will major in special education) in the mission field.

I thank God that they will be skilled in many areas and will be better equipped to serve Him in what He might bring along.

 

[annsni]

You have a lot to learn.

--> Not from you.


And FYI I am a happily married (soon to be 30 years) man.

--> Yeah so?

You are an embarrassment to the species.

--> Are you really a man? Better double check

Biblically, women are not to be beat into submission but loved into it.

--> Nice strawman. Where have I ever asserted as such? Never. What a moronic joke.


bye bye

You might want to check your response and see if it's worthy of being a disciple of Jesus Christ. To me, it looks like the world.

 

[Harold Garvey]

I have always found that when I have to tell my wife the why of things and gently place her right back on the royal throne any queen should have right next to her king, she gldaly submits to biblical authority and marital bliss is then re-established.

I cannot believe how far christians have swayed concerning the divine order by accepting the women's lib movement. It's no wonder there is so much "hell in the home" today and women are now beating their husbands into subjection.

Hello Sarai? How's that son of Hagar treating your children? Not very nicely huh? I suppose you wish you had not told Abraham how to help God out in providing seed!

 

[sag38]

One thing about it though...Abraham didn't have to listen. Neither did Adam. In both cases the husband was not leading as he should.

 

[Scarlett O.]

Hello Sarai? How's that son of Hagar treating your children? Not very nicely huh? I suppose you wish you had not told Abraham how to help God out in providing seed!

Harold,

Abraham and Sarah made mistakes as a married couple, as one-flesh. Surely you see that. And it wasn't about headship or submission. It was about neither of them fully trusting God.

God told Abraham in Genesis 12:1-2:

God said to Abram, "Get out of your country. Get away from your relatives. Away from your father. Go to the land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation and bless you. I will make your name great and you will be a blessing."

Well, the first thing he did.....as we find out much later in Genesis 20:13 when he confesses to Abimelech.....was to tell his wife to lie about their marital status because he feared other men. "When God told me to leave my father's house, I said to my wife, 'Please show me a great kindness and no matter where we go, don't tell anyone that you are my wife. Tell them you are my sister." He feared other men more than he trusted God. She goes right along with the ruse. So they helped God out. And when God spares them the first time from the first king who was going to take Sarah, did they learn that God provides and protects? No! They did it again!

One has to wonder if the reason that God wouldn't bless them with a child all those years was because they would not even acknowledge their own marriage to others?

The second thing he did, after being told to leave his relatives, was to take his nephew, nephew's wife, and great-nieces with him. And how did that work out for Lot's family? And for Lot's descendants - the Moabites and the Ammonites? I'm sure that he thought he was just helping God out by offering Lot to choose which portion of land that he wanted. Lot not only pitched his tent towards Sodom, but his heart and his family.

The third thing he did after reaching the land promised to him was to leave it because of a famine and go to Egypt. Did he not trust God to provide?

When it came the time that Sarah (Sarai) presented Hagar to Abrahm, she wasn't "beating him into subjection". She said, "The LORD has prevented me from being able to bear children. I beg you, take Hagar, so that I can bear children from her." And he agreed. Why did he agree? It made logical sense. She was barren and had no more menstrual cycles anyway. Neither one of them was thinking with their heart......trusting God. They were wanting to complete God's task from a human standpoint.

Abraham and Sarah made mistakes as a couple. Sometimes he instigated the mistrust of God and sometimes she did.

 

[Mexdeaf]

One thing about it though...Abraham didn't have to listen. Neither did Adam. In both cases the husband was not leading as he should.

Correct.:thumbs:

 

[gb93433]

Did someone forget to read his Bible?

I wonder who is married to Robert Jarvik?

Anyone who feels the need to be married to a woman who is not very intelligent just so he could feel superior is judgmental, arrogant and proud.

Seems to me like Jesus did not come to be served but to serve. I wonder where that puts the husband in relationship to his wife? The one who wants to be first must be last.

 

[gb93433]

I cannot believe how far christians have swayed concerning the divine order by accepting the women's lib movement. It's no wonder there is so much "hell in the home" today and women are now beating their husbands into subjection.

I cannot begin to tell you how many men I have asked over the years to do ministry with me and the numerous excuses weak I have gotten. That includes pastors too.

We must remember that strong women do not marry weak men. Weak women are not submissive and weak men do not lead.

There is an article at http://blogs.webmd.com/all-ears/2007/08/making-of-woose-wuss.html