Mary always a virgin?

[Marooncat79]

My bad. Sorry man. Trying to understand your point

 

[robycop3]

Mark 6:3 “Is this not the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, Jose, Judas, and Simon? Are not his sisters here with us?”

All that you wrote cannot negate scripture. Mary had at least six children after Jesus.

Why are people so hung up on Mary having sex, and children, with her husband?

What purpose does it serve to ignore scripture and pretend she was a perpetual virgin?

peace to you

Remember, the RCC contains some doctrines carried over from the "mystery, Babylon" religion started by Nimrod & Semiramis. In them, Mary replaced Semiramis as "queena hevvin". The Greex had picked up stuff from that religion as well, & made Athene a perpetual virgin. Thus, some early RCs made Mary into one, & the RCC has been trying to justify that doctrine even since, as well as the "Immaculate Deception", etc.

 

[Yeshua1]

I was sitting at my desk thinking deep thoughts when a new one crept into my mind. Luke has Mary, who at the time was engaged to Joseph, being told by an angel that she will (future tense) conceive and give birth to a son. She replies by asking how that would be possible since she hasn't had any activity necessary to bring that about. I wonder why she would say that unless she also didn't plan on ever having that activity in the future after she was married? If, so, that might seem to be support for some religious organizations' assertion that she was forever virgin.

She had natural born children after Jesus, as no need to have her stay a perpetual Virgin, as Rome sees her as being sinless and somehow having sex would make her evil and not chaste!

 

[robycop3]

After her, Paul wrote that ALL have sinned & come shorta the glory of God, & that includes Mary.

 

[Two Wings]

Mary was not the biological mother of Jesus, but the Surrogate Mother for the Son of God when He came in the form of Embryo like In-vitro

ya know ... I'd never thought about this ... but after having a couple of Embryo-Transfer cattle ... I better understand what you're saying ... and agree!

A Texas Longhorn momma can birth a full blood black angus calf in one of these procedures 9 months prior.

 

[Eliyahu]

ya know ... I'd never thought about this ... but after having a couple of Embryo-Transfer cattle ... I better understand what you're saying ... and agree!

A Texas Longhorn momma can birth a full blood black angus calf in one of these procedures 9 months prior.

Many Thanks.
My belief started from the meaning of Gennethen ( γεννηθὲν) which is the passive form of Egennesen ( ἐγέννησεν) used for Abraham begot Isaac, Isaac begot Jacob, Solomon begot Rehoboam.... So, this Gennao verb is used for <giving birth to>a person.
In other words, as Mt 1:20 says < the person born in her> Jesus was born inside the uterus of Maria already. Jesus was Gennethen already inside Maria as a human being.

When I mentioned this matter to a medical doctor who passed away last year at the age of 94, told me that Ovum is designed only for accepting a Sperm. If the Ovum of Maria was used, then the Holy Spirit or any part of Holy Spirit should have become a Sperm. The problem is that Jesus Himself remembered everything before He was Born. Jesus mentioned He existed ahead of Abraham (John 8:56-58) and mentioned Moses wrote about Him ( John 5:43-46). No sperm can remember such things.
Jesus was born as a complete human being on the uterus of Maria.
He became another Adam, as the second Adam.
So, the Ovum of Maria wasn't used. Maria's DNA have nothing to do with Jesus.
Maria was just a channel used by God to accept Jesus and pass Him to this world.
Therefore Maria wasn't the Biological Mother of Jesus but the Surrogate Mother of Jesus.
Mary was just a human being, a sinful person requiring the Savior ( Luke 1:47) but she was used for the Surrogate Mother by God. Mary cannot be the mother of God as she never existed when Jesus created the universe and met Abraham, and when David called Him Lord. Mary was never the mother of Jesus when He allowed her parents to exist.
Mary couldn't be the mother of Jesus when Moses sacrificed his life for Christ ( Heb 11:26)

Mary cannot be everywhere in the world and there is no indication that Mary could understand the English language or any other languages. Therefore all the prayers to Mary from many countries around the world cannot be reached to her and Mary cannot understand the hundreds of languages and the contents of the prayers. So, all the prayers to Mary are in vain.
Therefore the Perpetual Virginity, Prayers to Mary, Mother of God concepts are nothing but the goddess worship and a big Idolatry.
There is no other place to the goddess worshippers and to the idol worshippers than the Hell. They must repent and return to the Truth of the Bible.

Eliyahu

 

[SavedByGrace]

In my opinion, NOT because sex would have defile the fetus, Jesus, but so that no one could ever say that Jesus was conceived from sex

more to the point, if Jesus Christ was conceived as all other humans are, with a biological father and mother, then He could not be the Eternal God, Who took on "human nature", the God-man, as is very clear in Philippians 2:5-8.

 

[SavedByGrace]

I’m 100% certain the Blessed Virgin Saint Mary, the Ark of the living God, the mother of God, birthed no other children and remained a Virgin; before, burning and after His birth. The perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Saint Mary cannot exegetically be disproved

Roman Catholic RUBBISH!!!

Mary..."mother of God"!!! BLASPHEMY!

Mary is a CREATED being, who was a SINNER, who needed Jesus Christ as her Saviour, as her own words testify, "and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior" (Luke 1:47). HOW can a SINNER ever by the MOTHER of the Eternal God???

 

[SavedByGrace]

I never said so. 100% of His genes were from God or His own.
In order to clarify this point, I meant the concept of half brothers is based on the notion that Mary's ovum was used for Jesus, which I disagree.

Eliyahu

so Jesus Christ is not really "human", as the God-Man? Where did He get his "human nature" from?

 

[SavedByGrace]

the Ark of the living God (Theotokos), the mother of God

where is this NONSENSE taught in the 66 Books of the Holy Bible? HOW is Mary the "Ark", this is BLASPHEMY!

 

[SavedByGrace]

Jesus Christ is referred to in Matthew 1:25, and Luke, 2:7, as Mary's FIRSTBORN SON, "πρωτότοκος", which means there were others AFTER, as ἕως in Matthew 1:15 clearly says.

Intestesing how the Roman Catholic Jerusalem Bible, distorts Matthew 1:25

"though he had not had intercourse with her, she gave birth' to a son; and he named him Jesus"

The word UNTIL has been omitted as it would destroy their FALSE theory, that Mary remained a virgin after Jesus was born.

 

[Two Wings]

so Jesus Christ is not really "human", as the God-Man? Where did He get his "human nature" from?

No sir ... and embryo transfer is FULLY bovine ... it simply has the DNA of its parents, not the surrogate mother's.

 

[37818]

. . . Mother of God . . . .

Strictly speaking, that terminology is totally unBiblical.

 

[37818]

. . . on the notion that Mary's ovum was used for Jesus, which I disagree.

Eliyahu

Then you disagree with the word of God.
Genesis 3:15, ". . . And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. . . ."
Galatians 4:4, ". . . But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, . . ."

 

[37818]

Luke 1:43.

". . . And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? . . . "
1 Corinthians 8:6, ". . . But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. . . ."

 

[SavedByGrace]

it simply has the DNA of its parents

Not both Joseph and Mary!

 

[Two Wings]

Not both Joseph and Mary!

I was addressing the genetic makeup of the fetal calf in a surrogate cow; I should have said sire/dam. sorry. you can redirect your exclamation.

 

[percho]

I never said so. 100% of His genes were from God or His own.
In order to clarify this point, I meant the concept of half brothers is based on the notion that Mary's ovum was used for Jesus, which I disagree.

Eliyahu

Remember Jesus Christ, raised out of the dead, of the seed of David, according to my good news, 2 Tim 2:8 YLT
and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ; Gal 3:16 YLT

Reconcile to your thoughts.

 

[canadyjd]

Remember Jesus Christ, raised out of the dead, of the seed of David, according to my good news, 2 Tim 2:8 YLT
and to Abraham were the promises spoken, and to his seed; He doth not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to thy seed,' which is Christ; Gal 3:16 YLT

Reconcile to your thoughts.

You make a valid argument, however “Seed” means descendent. That is accomplished by Mary giving birth. In the same way Jesus was descended from David because Joseph was Mary’s husband and His “father” here. They obviously didn’t understand genetics in those days, as we do.

I’m more interested in the Angel saying the child is of Holy Spirit. That certainly opens the possibility the child (Jesus) was formed completely independent of Mary’s DNA.

I don’t believe any doctrine is affected by the view God formed Jesus’s human body independent of Mary’s DNA but we can disagree.

peace to you

 

[percho]

You make a valid argument, however “Seed” means descendent. That is accomplished by Mary giving birth. In the same way Jesus was descended from David because Joseph was Mary’s husband and His “father” here. They obviously didn’t understand genetics in those days, as we do.

I’m more interested in the Angel saying the child is of Holy Spirit. That certainly opens the possibility the child (Jesus) was formed completely independent of Mary’s DNA.

I don’t believe any doctrine is affected by the view God formed Jesus’s human body independent of Mary’s DNA but we can disagree.

peace to you

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; this one was in the beginning with God; John 1:1,2 YLT
having known that, not with corruptible things -- silver or gold -- were ye redeemed from your foolish behaviour delivered by fathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and unspotted -- Christ's -- foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you, 1 Peter 1:18-20
the earth hath existed waste and void, and darkness is on the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God fluttering on the face of the waters, Gen 1:2 YLT

When God said, "Let there be Light," how was the Word going to be made flesh? How was the Word going to shed, the life of the flesh is in the blood, for redemption, for atonement?
At that moment, "Let there be Light," where was, Rev 12:9 the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, --- the one spoken of here, Acts 26:18 YLT to open their eyes, to turn from darkness to light, and the authority of the Adversary (Satan) unto God,

What was the darkness and light spoken of in Gen 1:2,3?

Was it going require woman, taken from man created in the image of God? Let there be Light. What is God about to do about Satan the Adversary?

Gen 3:15 and enmity I put between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; he doth bruise thee -- the head, and thou dost bruise him -- the heel.' ------ Is the Christ of her seed?

And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten is of the Holy Spirit,
------------------------------------------------------------- γὰρ ἐν αὐτῇ γεννηθὲν ἐκ πνεύματός ἐστιν ἁγίου
-------------------------------------------------------------- for in her generated out of Spirit is Holy
You see the same thing in Luke 1:35 where the angel told Mary--- καὶ τὸ γεννώμενον ἅγιον κληθήσεται υἱὸς θεοῦ
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- also the, being generated out of you Holy shall be called Son of God

How could the Word made flesh, be conceived and brought forth of woman and be Holy? Or as 1 Peter 1:19 states, unblemished and unspotted?

Matt 1:23 'Lo, the virgin shall conceive, and she (the virgin) shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,' which is, being interpreted 'With us he is God.' The virgin, shall bring forth.

I would like to add the following just for thought.

Was the woman taken from the man, a virgin?
And they are both of them naked, the man and his wife, and they are not ashamed of themselves. Gen 2:25
What and why did Eve say this and what does, one believe, she thought relative to this child she had brought forth?
Gen 4:1 YLT and also Darby
And the man knew Eve his wife, and she conceiveth and beareth Cain, and saith, 'I have gotten a man by Jehovah;'
And Man knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bore Cain, and said, I have acquired a man with Jehovah.

'Lo, the virgin shall conceive, and she shall bring forth --- Even if conceived, Holy, what would prevent bringing forth, Holy?

And Joseph, having risen from the sleep, did as the messenger of the Lord directed him, and received his wife, (in her conceived, out of Spirit is Holy) and did not know her till she brought forth her son ( Holy, unblemished and unspotted ) the first-born, and he called his name Jesus.

Gen 3:6 YLT And the woman seeth that the tree is good for food, and that it is pleasant to the eyes, and the tree is desirable to make one wise, and she taketh of its fruit and eateth, and giveth also to her husband with her, and he doth eat;
Gen 3:7 YLT and the eyes of them both are opened, and they know that they are naked, and they sew fig-leaves, and make to themselves girdles.
James 1:14,15 and each one is tempted, by his own desires being led away and enticed, afterward the desire having conceived, doth give birth to sin, and the sin having been perfected, doth bring forth death.

What did Adam see and desire? Anything that could cause not to bring forth, Holy?