That is beside the point. God ordained incense in the temple worship, as well as priests. He did not ordain either in the church. Neither did he ordain any special dress for ministers of the gospel, certainly not pagan vestments.
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That is beside the point. God ordained incense in the temple worship, as well as priests. He did not ordain either in the church. Neither did he ordain any special dress for ministers of the gospel, certainly not pagan vestments.
Matt Janes
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God can use any practice he wants, and ordain any vestments he wants.
God can take a pagan practice and redeem it and make it into something holy.... Pagans were practicing animal sacrifice before God ordained it and redeemed it.... We have a new covenant now where things that were formerly forbidden are permitted... Invoking heaven was never condemned in the New Testament anywhere, neither was it in the Old Testament
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Because Peter, the First bishop of Rome was a fisherman
Wrong. The first bishop of Rome was Linus.
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The Old Testament priests wear big hats and vestments that resembles what Catholics wear
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Wrong again. God tells you to avoid pagan practices. Sacrifices began with Cain and Able, God rejected Cain's sacrifice because his heart was not right with God, he just used any thing to offer. Able on the other hand chose the best from his flock signifying that his heart was right with God
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Catholics trace the papacy to Peter, and they say he was martyred in Rome after heading the Church there.
Of course it is true. History tells us. Linus was consecrated by Peter and Paul. If you are not a Catholic, why are you linking to Catholic answers? You won't find true answers there. Peter may have been in Rome, but he was not bishop. Eusebius tell us that Linus was consecrated 1st Bishop of Rome by Peter AND Paul.
You are not seeking Christ, you are a Catholic[Name calling edited].
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They say a lot of things that are not true. Roman Catholicism is a Pagan Religion. In 'St Peter's' Rome there is a so called statue of Peter, that is the same lump of metal that was worshipped as Jupiter.
Our preacher this morning tells of his visits to India. He said that every taxi driver had his idol on the dashboard. When he finished work for the day, he took his god down and put him in his pocket. What sort of god is that? The RC saint/gods are the same you wear them round you neck, or on bracelets, and in shrines at home.
- 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
- 5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
Matt Janes
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I was taught that the apostles were Bishops
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I don't have any statues... even if I did, I would have to worship it for it to be a pagan practice
Matt Janes
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Defending the teachings of the Catholic church, does not make me Catholic
I'm trying to find Christian Unity, and there will be no Christian Unity as long as everyone's calling Catholics and Orthodox churches pagan
I'm trying to find Christian Unity, and there will be no Christian Unity as long as everyone's calling Catholics and Orthodox churches pagan
Literally, the only time I hear it referred to as "Once Saved, Always Saved" is from Catholics, whenever they want to mock the Biblical doctrine of eternal security.
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Romans 10:9 ►
If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
I will be saved according to that verse
There's a little more to it than that. The Bible says that even the Devil and his angels believe Jesus is Lord and tremble at His name. They're not saved.
What you've done here is what you always do. You chopped a part of a verse you like out of context in order to confirm what you believe, rather than taking the whole thing and letting it shape what you believe.
The Bible tells us repentance is required for salvation. It also says that heretical doctrines, such as the ones you have repeatedly admitted you believe, and evidence of ongoing, unrepentant sin, such as you've displayed here, are both indicators that one is not saved.
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I will say, Catholics believe who ever dies in Christ is not dead. So they pray "with" them because no one who is saved is dead. But in that note, what if the "saint" they are praying with never existed like what has happened before. Or what if that person is truly lost?
Also if the Papacy is in line with the apostles who was the true pope during the reign of the harlots? Or when there was multiple popes at one time?
Christ is our one mediator/intercessor, yet, St. Paul commands all Christians to be intercessors/mediators. Then notice the first word in verse five: “For there is one God and one mediator…” And then in verse seven he says, “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle.” What is an apostle if not a mediator? The very definition of apostle, according to Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, is “a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders.” That’s an essential part of what a mediator is. In short, St. Paul says we are all called to be mediators because Christ is the one mediator and for this reason he was called to be a mediator of God’s love and grace to the world!
The Church is not claiming Christ couldn’t get the job done so he needed help. Of course not! He could do it all—and all by himself—if he wanted to. He could come down here right now and write this post much more effectively than I ever could. But he chooses not to do everything himself, strictly speaking. He delights in using his body to communicate his life and love to the world.
prophecy70,
Catholics will tell you that having the assurance of your salvation is the "sin of presumption", and yet, they're quick to declare who is and isn't in Heaven.
If Catholics believe the purpose of Purgatory is for one to expiate their own sin, then how do they know their "saints", or even Mary, herself, aren't in Purgatory expiating their sins?
Catholics will tell you that having the assurance of your salvation is the "sin of presumption", and yet, they're quick to declare who is and isn't in Heaven.
If Catholics believe the purpose of Purgatory is for one to expiate their own sin, then how do they know their "saints", or even Mary, herself, aren't in Purgatory expiating their sins?
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