Christ is our Mediator, not Paul. Paul didn't do a thing to make peace between us and God.
And do it without all the heresy, at that.
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Christ is our Mediator, not Paul. Paul didn't do a thing to make peace between us and God.
And do it without all the heresy, at that.
Bishops are the same as elders, They were elders.
- 1 Peter 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
I also belong to an IFB site, and they believe OSAS.
Matt Janes
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John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Show me where in scripture that doesn't include Catholics?
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Show me where in scripture that doesn't include Catholics?
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Nobody said it doesn't include Catholics. But, once again, you're cherry picking portions of verses out of context because they affirm your beliefs.
As I've explained to you before, the point of verses such as this is that it is Christ who is the Savior, not that one is saved by uttering a mantra.
There is still the matter of repentance and there is still the matter of doctrine and sanctification that I pointed out to you before.
Besides, Catholics don't believe solely on Christ for their salvation, but on Christ, their own works, and their membership in the Catholic Church.
The Catholic Church considers anyone who believes the Gospel and relies solely on Christ and His finished work to be anathema.
If any Catholic is saved, it's in spite of the Catholic Church, not because of it.
No, it isn't. Praying to Mary is a pagan practice that is condemned in scripture.
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No it's not, you have to twist an Old Testament verse and take it out of context to even indicate it... I've already debunked that claim
Show us what Old Testament verse I cited and explain how I took it out of context.
No, you haven't. You've just repeated the claim that people in Heaven are not actually dead, even though your own cult recognizes many of them as martyrs, and brought up the example of Lazarus in Abraham's Bosom, even though the text specifically says that Lazarus died and that there is a gulf affixed between life and death that cannot be crossed.
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Wrong again. The gulf that separated Abraham from the rich man was a gulf separating Heaven from Hades. But Abraham was still able to interact with him, despite him being in Hades.
Also, I just made the statement that you have to take an Old Testament verse out of context to condemn invoking the souls in heaven. I never said you actually quoted the verse.
But in order to condemn the Catholic practice, one has to take that verse out of context which was referring to magic, sorcery, and summoning Spirits from the underworld... It was essentially condemning using the powers of hell, not heaven.
The Roman 'church' is a persecuting organisation just like pagan Rome. The only reason she doesn't kill Christians at present is that she doesn't have the power, but has always said she would do it again if she could. Read, if you can find them, The Vatican Against Europe, and The Secret History of the Jesuits, by Edmond Paris, a French Catholic, and Vatican Imperialism in the 20th Century and The Vatican's Holocaust, by Avro Manhattan. Both these were probably bumped off by the Jesuits.
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I like that stance!
Look, I have never seen Mary the mother of Jesus yet I love her because as the scripture declares she was full of grace and blessed above every woman on earth to be privileged to bear in her body the baby Jesus. One out of billions.
But I don't/can't worship her or do any of those things that resemble worship - whether worship defined as veneration or bowing the knee or making requests.
HankD
But I don't/can't worship her or do any of those things that resemble worship - whether worship defined as veneration or bowing the knee or making requests.
HankD
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I like your stance, it's good to not go against your conscience...
Praying to the dead is called Necromancy.
Thanks for demonstrating that you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.
The gulf isn't separating the Rich Man from Abraham, but the Rich Man, who is dead, from his brothers, who are alive, [Name Calling edited].
So, can you cite this verse? Does this verse even exist? [Nasty personal comment edited.]
So, you can't tell us what verse you're even talking about, but we're supposed to take your word for it that it's taken out of context?
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Just so there's no confusion, for those who don't realize it yet, Trump0101 and "Matt Janes" are the same person.
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Staff made me change my name and avatar.
Would you like to tell me which Old Testament verse you were referring to so I can show you how you're taking it out of context?
Anyway , Christ commands us to love our enemies. I love you. God bless!
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