I get the hourglass (York Rite), but what are the wings?
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Masonry It Really Is A Religion
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human existence is fleeting.
Dave G
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I've read that, and the higher one goes in the rites, the more revealed is their "god".
Anyone ever read William Schnoebelen's book?
https://www.amazon.com/Masonry-Beyond-Light-William-Schnoebelen/dp/0937958387
I have, and I thought it was a very interesting read... some of the contents have been corroborated by a personal friend of mine whose father was a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason.
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No , I haven’t most of my books are ones the masons published .
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“Freemasonry has a religious service to commit the body of a deceased brother to the dust whence it came, and to speed the liberated spirit back to the Great Source of Light. Many Freemasons make this flight with *no other guarantee of a safe landing than their belief in the religion of Freemasonry*" [Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, p. 512]
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Previous Father In Law was a Mason of the Scottish Rite and after he died I had access to all his Masonic literature... How old is free masonry?... As old as Egypt!... Got the picture?... Mormon rituals are based on them!... I know in our church you can not be a member and be a member of any secret society, no exception... Speaking about Mason here is an interesting tidbit... Notable examples of Masons include Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, John C. Bennett, HyrumSmith and Joseph Smith, Sr. In the early 1840s, a Masonic Lodge was formed by Latter Day Saints who were Freemasons. Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum became members of the newly-formed Nauvoo lodge... Brother Glen
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Thank the Lord for your church taking a stand against this occult organization........your church is a rare exception.
There quite a few notable Masons (I think it was "in fashion" at one time to belong to a "secret society"). Here are a few more:Previous Father In Law was a Mason of the Scottish Rite and after he died I had access to all his Masonic literature... How old is free masonry?... As old as Egypt!... Got the picture?... Mormon rituals are based on them!... I know in our church you can not be a member and be a member of any secret society, no exception... Speaking about Mason here is an interesting tidbit... Notable examples of Masons include Brigham Young, Heber C. Kimball, John C. Bennett, HyrumSmith and Joseph Smith, Sr. In the early 1840s, a Masonic Lodge was formed by Latter Day Saints who were Freemasons. Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum became members of the newly-formed Nauvoo lodge... Brother Glen
George Washington
Andrew Jackson
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Harry Truman
Dwight Eisenhower
Gerald Ford
James Monroe
James Polk
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
James Garfield
William McKinley
Howard Taft
Warren Harding
Buzz Aldrin
Robert Burns
Mark Twain
Sir Walter Scott
John Wayne
Clark Gable
Glenn Ford
Peter Sellers
W.C. Fields
Red Skelton
Roy Rogers
Norman Vincent Peale
Mozart
Beethoven
Sousa
Charles Mayo
Douglas MacArthur
John Pershing
Omar Bradley
Audi Murphy
William Westmoreland
Sam Houston
Benjamin Franklin
Paul Revere
John Hancock
Robert Dole
Ty Cobb
Cy Young
Arnold Palmer
J. Edgar Hoover
Lewis Armistead
Since Christianity seems to be swaying in popularity, I wonder if the decline of the Freemasons (and other "secret" societies) are a product of our "changing times"?
Is there a more contemporary list of Freemasons?
I see this more and more (my last few churches took the same stance and a church one town over split over the issue).
I am actually surprised the group still exists. We just moved (about six months ago) and I've seen a couple of large lodges (or temples, I'm not sure if they were a blue lodge or belonged to a rite). We went to Tybee Island last weekend (it was cold) and at the light house parking lot there is a Shriners temple. I just wonder how large the organization is these days.
If you've never read Dan Brown he is full of Masonic Symbolisms... Clem Kadiddlehopper you bad boy... He always signed off his program with Good Night and may God Bless... What God was he talking too?... The thing about the Masons is they are world wide... And you thought they were the ones driving around in their little cars with the funny hats in parades
... Brother GlenWould one of you brethren post a Shriner parade with little cars?... Thanks Brother Glen
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I am encouraged to hear you know churches that take a stand opposing this wicked group.
If you do a little checking you will be shocked at how many SBC pastors....deacons...and church staff and members are masons. The numbers are staggering.
Actually, the churches I was speaking of are Southern Baptist. The SBC today is not "pro-freemason". But when I was young most of the deacons were freemasons (I don't know about the pastor, but I remember going to a decons home and he had a grandfather clock with the mason symbol).
Decades ago I was a member (joined to see what it was about). There were a few pastors back then (if I remember correctly, most were Methodist or Church of Christ).
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I’m sure it varies depending on what part of the country one is in .
The last word I had was the SBC left it up to an individual to decide if they wanted to be a mason....things maybe different now.
U.S. membership in the Masons is claimed at about three million, with about five million worldwide.
Some church denominations are also led by avowed Masons (e.g., a 1991 survey by the Southern Baptist Convention Sunday School Board found that 14% of SBC pastors and 18% of SBC deacon board chairs are Masons.
It is also estimated that SBC members comprise 37% of total U.S. lodge membership.
37% of 3,000,000 would have been 1,110,000 Masons who held membership in the SBC. This estimate was for 1991. How many are there today? I don’t know.
When I was obtaining KJV editions for comparison, I obtained a 1940 Holman KJV edition.
It turned out that it was a Masonic Edition of the KJV.
Its title page stated:
Masonic Edition
Temple-Illustrated
The Holy Bible
The Great Light in Masonry
containing the Old and New Testaments
According to the Authorized or King James Version together with Illuminated Frontispiece, presentation and record pages and helps to the Masonic Student.
On the copyright page, it has copyright dates in 1924, 1925, 1929, 1930, 1933, 1935, 1939, 1940
so several editions of it may have been printed.
On the next page, for the Masonic Belief, the first two statements are as follows:
There is one God, the Father of all men.
The Holy Bible is the Great Light in Masonry, and the Rule and Guide for faith and practice.
It turned out that it was a Masonic Edition of the KJV.
Its title page stated:
Masonic Edition
Temple-Illustrated
The Holy Bible
The Great Light in Masonry
containing the Old and New Testaments
According to the Authorized or King James Version together with Illuminated Frontispiece, presentation and record pages and helps to the Masonic Student.
On the copyright page, it has copyright dates in 1924, 1925, 1929, 1930, 1933, 1935, 1939, 1940
so several editions of it may have been printed.
On the next page, for the Masonic Belief, the first two statements are as follows:
There is one God, the Father of all men.
The Holy Bible is the Great Light in Masonry, and the Rule and Guide for faith and practice.
Note that Holman publishers back then were not part of the current SBC Broadman-Holman group, which only occurred more recently when Broadman purchased the rights to the going defunct Philadelphia publishing house's name.
By the way, I once owned a KJV published by Zondervan (back when it supposedly was thoroughly evangelical) expressly for the Christian Science church. Go figure that one.
By the way, I once owned a KJV published by Zondervan (back when it supposedly was thoroughly evangelical) expressly for the Christian Science church. Go figure that one.
How many were just "dues payers"?
Correct me if I am wrong but the SBC met in Indianapolis on the 1990s and studied the issue. The conclusion was if you are not a member, please don't join. If you are, you can stay if necessary because in many small towns the Masons control the economy. My Dad belonged but never attended and always expressed outrage at the annual dues. I threw all of their stuff away and he did not have one of their closed funerals. The older generation tended to belong more than the younger. Here in Indianapolis there are a few segregated lodges as well as a very large Scottish Rite building downtown, which is dark and dirty inside where a bad auditorium is used for public concerts.
I don't know. I know many were active as some were over their lodges and many (most of the supreme justices that were Masons....which I didn't list) were active in the Scottish Rite.
But as an older Freemason (who became a dues payer only) told me, it used to be fashionable. He was from a larger city and they held socials, dances, ect. So the focus was on charity and being a type of "socal club" (for him anyway).
I suppose many were active, but I doubt most took it as a religion (I don't think most viewed it as we do now).
They did issue accept a report (I think 1993 ?).
They determined the teachings of Freemasonry not compatible with Christanity or SBC doctrine.
The econonomic link to Freemasonry us not a part of the SBC report. They did not suggest current Masons remain Masons. But this an "issue of conscious". For many Masons the conclusions were foreign to their experience.
With the SBC it is up to the local church.
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