Mayor Pete grooms a 9 yr old on stage, for votes

[MartyF]

The same "claims" come from our brothers and sisters who believe that practicing homosexuality is a sin, but grew up experiencing same sex attraction. I have seen their testimonies

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I've heard numerous testimonies from those who have been twisted into the homosexual lifestyle and finally broke out.

 

[MartyF]

Merely being attracted to someone is not a sin--however, acting on it, including to indulge in lust even just in your head, is. Same sex attraction happens, and even SSA people who believe they need to become heterosexual, usually still deal with homosexual attraction recuringly their entire lives. You're putting a burden on these people that scripture does not.

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Being tempted is not a sin. Neither is heterosexual sex required of Christians.

Encouraging others to join a homosexual lifestyle as Pete was and is doing is a sin and abhorrent to God.

 

[Wingman68]

That's okay, I put you on ignore last night, so you won't have to worry about me speaking with you after this. Good day brother.

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You are a real piece of work. Put me on ignore........yet here you are. You love it so. Any attention is good attention? That’s what they say................Good day to you too, if that’s the game we’re playing. You taking the high ground? It’s not yours for the taking in this case. Insincere. Worthless.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I've heard numerous testimonies from those who have been twisted into the homosexual lifestyle and finally broke out.

There's a marked difference between quitting homosexual activity and experiencing homosexual attraction. The vast majority of same sex attracted Christians still experience the attraction, even if they don't act on it anymore

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[Benjamin]

I carry a big bag of guns. I load them and leave them wherever I want and it is perfectly fine to leave them around young children, because they will only pull the trigger if it was meant to be. I’m not a type A gun handler who tells them to play with the guns, I’m just a type B gun handler who gives them the opportunity to know whether they are gun handlers or not. Your logic is just your opinion and you have your opinion and I have mine. It is my right to do whatever I want because I am not an active shooter and I’m a Christian. Where is your scripture that there is anything wrong with what I do?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Anecdotal evidence isn't useless. And when it comes to matters of people's hearts, it's usefulness increases. Aren't our testimonies anecdotal? But we still use them as witnessing tools

But anyway, all you can give on this is your opinion it seems. *shrugs* If that's all you can give, then there's no reason to continue here. My opinion is this and your opinion is that. What more can be said that hasn't already been said.

You keep wandering from the point. By your own admission you are advocating confusing children to the point of leading them into sin by exposing them to it, then letting others deal with the aftermath. Yet you demand more Scripture to prove you are wrong to do so? I could admit it’s not more wrong than what the Devil does, but Scripture is not his advocate, nor yours, as you are advocating his part.

You are so obviously contrary to the Spirit and the Word in this, yet claiming it is opinion vs opinion, that there appears to be nothing that could convince you. If God himself said, “It would be better to have a millstone placed around your neck and tossed into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to sin,” would you take the warning to heart?

 

[evenifigoalone]

You keep wandering from the point. By your own admission you are advocating confusing children to the point of leading them into sin by exposing them to it, then letting others deal with the aftermath. Yet you demand more Scripture to prove you are wrong to do so? I could admit it’s not more wrong than what the Devil does, but Scripture is not his advocate, nor yours, as you are advocating his part.

You are so obviously contrary to the Spirit and the Word in this, yet claiming it is opinion vs opinion, that there appears to be nothing that could convince you. If God himself said, “It would be better to have a millstone placed around your neck and tossed into the sea than to cause one of these little ones to sin,” would you take the warning to heart?

I think we have different goals here. Your's is to find fault with me no matter what I say, unless it happens to align fully with your opinion. No matter what I say, you'll twist it, just as you have now. Mine is to determine whose view and approach is more Biblical.

When I said that children might be led to question their sexuality more and all that jazz,I was referring to the LGBT political front. This whole time, that's what I've been talking about--Pete Buttface and all that. Not me and my views. Get some reading comprehension.

Read my lips: I would NEVER encourage a kid to commit homosexual sin. Neither would I encourage one to question their sexuality. Neither do I have ANY intentions WHATSOEVER to talk to kids about the big gay.

If you have nothing substantial to add, we're done here. I will not entertain this circus further.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I think we have different goals here. Your's is to find fault with me no matter what I say, unless it happens to align fully with your opinion. No matter what I say, you'll twist it, just as you have now. Mine is to determine whose view and approach is more Biblical.

When I said that children might be led to question their sexuality more and all that jazz,I was referring to the LGBT political front. This whole time, that's what I've been talking about--Pete Buttface and all that. Not me and my views. Get some reading comprehension.

Read my lips: I would NEVER encourage a kid to commit homosexual sin. Neither would I encourage one to question their sexuality. Neither do I have ANY intentions WHATSOEVER to talk to kids about the big gay.

If you have nothing substantial to add, we're done here. I will not entertain this circus further.

If you think you misrepresented your position earlier, you are free to correct it, but you don’t really seem to be going that way, as you seem to ignore or skirt the real issue. I’m just going by what your posts seem to be advocating, defending, excusing. On the one hand, your posts read like the influence of the Pedo-LGBTQ+ agenda should be of little or no concern because, in your opinion, it cannot really affect children. Then you admit it can lead children into questioning their sexuality and engaging in sexual perversions even to the point of practicing them up to and into adulthood. Try reading your post and see if that’s not what it sounds like.

You say that “parents and church teachings should come up with the correct approach” only afterward. All I’m saying is that you have no bona fide basis, and certainly nothing Scriptural, for saying that those influences don’t influence, or have no lasting effect. Also, wise parents and pastors will not side with you in thinking that proactive, preventive measures are not called for rather than waiting for potential disaster to strike. The reason is that such vile negative influences will certainly influence a large number of children, as children are ill-equipped to handle such issues. Futhermore, there are consequences that cannot be undone, which the children will have to deal with for the rest of their lives.

I guess I missed your Scriptural support for your position, though I invited you to provide it. Perhaps you only thought you provided it? If you did provide it, just cite those responses to me again.

 

[evenifigoalone]

If you think you misrepresented your position earlier, you are free to correct it, but you don’t really seem to be going that way, as you seem to ignore or skirt the real issue. I’m just going by what your posts seem to be advocating, defending, excusing. On the one hand, your posts read like the influence of the Pedo-LGBTQ+ agenda should be of little or no concern because, in your opinion, it cannot really affect children. Then you admit it can lead children into questioning their sexuality and engaging in sexual perversions even to the point of practicing them up to and into adulthood. Try reading your post and see if that’s not what it sounds like.

You say that “parents and church teachings should come up with the correct approach” only afterward. All I’m saying is that you have no bona fide basis, and certainly nothing Scriptural, for saying that those influences don’t influence, or have no lasting effect. Also, wise parents and pastors will not side with you in thinking that proactive, preventive measures are not called for rather than waiting for potential disaster to strike. The reason is that such vile negative influences will certainly influence a large number of children, as children are ill-equipped to handle such issues. Futhermore, there are consequences that cannot be undone, which the children will have to deal with for the rest of their lives.

I guess I missed your Scriptural support for your position, though I invited you to provide it. Perhaps you only thought you provided it? If you did provide it, just cite those responses to me again.

The burden of proof for providing scripture is on you, since you were the one to directly make the claim that your view is Biblical.

I never made the argument that children are not affected, but I also don't think it's as bad as you say.
My view is essentially, that if I had a kid, I would talk to them and let them know that I would never love them less if it turned out that they weren't straight..... But that does not under any circumstances mean it's okay to act on it. And that's how I'd encourage others to speak on it with their kids.

What my exact approach is other than that, I'm unsure. I don't have a super detailed plan or anything. I would discourage treating LGBT as caractiaturs of themselves. I would discourage myths, such as LGBT being pedophiles. I would discourage mistreating LGBT people. But I would make it clear that acting on same sex attraction is a sin, and that SSA individuals are called to celibacy.


This, just in general. To clarify, I have no plans to talk to children that aren't mine about this.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Anecdotal evidence isn't useless. And when it comes to matters of people's hearts, it's usefulness increases. Aren't our testimonies anecdotal? But we still use them as witnessing tools.

I never said anecdotal evidence is useless. However, the type of testimony you are advocating is highly suspect because of its source and assumptions. No one lives in a vacuum. To think that no outside influences were affecting the minds of these people when they were children is unreasonable. To think that they could rightly understand and discern as children is unreasonable. They can believe their own tales, but that does not make them applicable to others.

I’m not sure what sort of personal testimony you consider analogous, or how you think I would view such testimony, but the matter here is of such grave importance that any testimony would have to be unimpeachable; beyond a reasonable doubt.

To provide my own analogy, I did not rely on the testimony of modern medicine to decide whether abortion was murder. My position was always that we should err in favor of life, whereas some maintained that since science didn’t know for sure if the baby was really a person, abortion was OK. A fair compromise would be to wait until the baby grows up which he prefers. The same in this case. We can ask the child when he grows up what he wants to be exposed to.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Brother, I'm tired. This thread has gone on for a long time and been emotionally exhausting. I am capable of keeping up a debate, but my brain also needs time to rest and recharge. If it's all the same to you (or even if it's not), I'm going to call it here.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Brother, I'm tired. This thread has gone on for a long time and been emotionally exhausting. I am capable of keeping up a debate, but my brain also needs time to rest and recharge. If it's all the same to you (or even if it's not), I'm going to call it here.

As far as I'm concerned, debate proceeds at the rate of the participants, and no one controls another in that. But in this case, part of the problem is that we are not discussing the issue at the same level.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I think we have different goals here. Your's is to find fault with me no matter what I say, unless it happens to align fully with your opinion. No matter what I say, you'll twist it, just as you have now. Mine is to determine whose view and approach is more Biblical.

When I said that children might be led to question their sexuality more and all that jazz,I was referring to the LGBT political front. This whole time, that's what I've been talking about--Pete Buttface and all that. Not me and my views. Get some reading comprehension.

Read my lips: I would NEVER encourage a kid to commit homosexual sin. Neither would I encourage one to question their sexuality. Neither do I have ANY intentions WHATSOEVER to talk to kids about the big gay.

If you have nothing substantial to add, we're done here. I will not entertain this circus further.

I think we do have different goals here, and view the debate entirely differently. The issue from the beginning has been what is happening in society, what is being advanced in the public arena—this is where the Pedo-LGBTQ+ agenda is being forcefully shoved down people's throats. This is no caricature, and they do have a plan, which they are constantly working out. Theirs is a political movement clearly intent on perverting every level of society, including the children. They do want a Sodom-and-Gomorah society with everyone's minds perverted into thinking their lifestyles are normal, no matter how aberrant and sinful. If you are unaware of that, then you live a very politically sheltered life. We've had threads about this sort of thing on this board.

As for pedophilia itself, they don't generally openly advocate for that right now, though the early movement did. They officially distanced themselves from it only because they saw it was hurting their cause. However, the rise of Trans "Story Hour" is showing some signs of its re-emergence.

Whether an individual is personally involved in any of the particular perversions is not the issue, just as whether someone is personally having abortions. The issue is with the standards being advocated or exused in society. Someone saying they don't personally commit murder but don't want to infringe on the rights of those who do are ignoring everyone else who may very well be the next victim. Such are a part of the problem rather than the solution. Children are a prime target in the LGBTQ+ effort to undermine society, thus the reason for calling it Pedo-LGBTQ+, and Mayor Pete is now a prime perpetrator. The outcome of all this will affect generations, and in fact is already affecting society, as more and more have been seduced and indoctrinated into their perverse mindset.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Pet peeve: when I end a debate saying "I'm not going any further" and people feel the need to have the last word when I can no longer respond without going back on my word
I could respond and I disagree with your perspective a lot, but I'm not gonna.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Pet peeve: when I end a debate saying "I'm not going any further" and people feel the need to have the last word when I can no longer respond without going back on my word
I could respond and I disagree with your perspective a lot, but I'm not gonna.

LOL. Given your brag about keeping up debate, I actually interpreted your “rest and recharge” comment to mean you were taking a break, not giving in entirely, and your “call it” as “call it a day,” not “call it quits.” I suppose my final comment, even though it wasn’t all I had left to say to what you've already said, will have to suffice.

Brother, I'm tired. This thread has gone on for a long time and been emotionally exhausting. I am capable of keeping up a debate, but my brain also needs time to rest and recharge. If it's all the same to you (or even if it's not), I'm going to call it here.

 

[evenifigoalone]

LOL. Given your brag about keeping up debate, I actually interpreted your “rest and recharge” comment to mean you were taking a break, not giving in entirely, and your “call it” as “call it a day,” not “call it quits.” I suppose my final comment, even though it wasn’t all I had left to say to what you've already said, will have to suffice.

Eh. I used to do this all the time when debating atheists, go toe to toe with them then bow out after I reached a point of mental exhaustion. At some point the input and output just isn't worth it anymore. You have to pick your battles.

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[JonC]

Due to length of thread it is closed. Please feel somewhat free to start another thread related to the OP (but not human sexuality).