Mayor Pete grooms a 9 yr old on stage, for votes

[evenifigoalone]

I will at least apologize for coming across as forceful. My perspective on the topic of the thread is a little bit altered, as well. For instance, I will agree that the kid shouldn't be used for political points. And when I say that a kid who deals with SSA should receive counseling from someone who is side B, I will add that this should be the parent's decision and maybe the kid should be at least a preteen if not older. Or perhaps instead of advising the kid, the parents could go to the other for perspective on how to handle it. I suppose that would be better.

In short, I am by no means advocating for forcefully and purposefully going against the parent's wishes. Sorry if it seemed like I was.

I don't have an agenda to teach children about SSA and I don't have any desire to. My motivation has been for someone who grows up with SSA, to not feel alone and not feel like God hates them for experiencing what they do. But I am still young and naive, I admit it, and I don't know how a lot of stuff works. I have never been a parent, and most likely never will be. I believe that, at least, my intentions have been good.
I do maintain that SSA can start very young, and that SSA is not a choice. But I understand that not everyone will share my perspective and that shoving things down people's throats never changed anyone's mind. I also maintain that I am not any danger to children, and will continue to work with them.

That is all.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I did bring up the question in my side B group out of curiosity, and their responses so far are making me reconsider my position somewhat.

I do work with children's ministry as a helper, and as the second adult that is there for liability issues. It's not as if it's my mission to tell kids about LGBT. Especially not without the permission of their parents.

You are right that this is not a matter for you to decide. Parents need to know who is involved in teaching their children, and wise parents will not want someone with your struggles involved in that important work.

It would be better if you just quietly resigned. If you continue to secretly, unilaterally decide this matter by staying involved, the fallout from finally finding out about your dishonesty will likely be severe, and you will have no one to blame but yourself.

 

[evenifigoalone]

You are right that this is not a matter for you to decide. Parents need to know who is involved in teaching their children, and wise parents will not want someone with your struggles involved in that important work.

It would be better if you just quietly resigned. If you continue to secretly, unilaterally decide this matter by staying involved, the fallout from finally finding out about your dishonesty will likely be severe, and you will have no one to blame but yourself.

I will continue my work. Sorry. My orientation doesn't make me a danger in the least

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I do maintain that SSA can start very young, and that SSA is not a choice.

This is where we sort of agree, and the essence of my concern here. Children should never be exposed to the idea of “choosing” SSA, as they cannot really choose, as they are not equipped. Rather they can be indoctrinated, seduced, groomed, in short tricked into it, and if you don’t realize that, then you know almost nothing at all, and are more dangerous than you can imagine.

 

[evenifigoalone]

This is where we sort of agree, and the essence of my concern here. Children should never be exposed to the idea of “choosing” SSA, as they cannot really choose, as they are not equipped. Rather they can be indoctrinated, seduced, groomed, in short tricked into it, and if you don’t realize that, then you know almost nothing at all, and are more dangerous than you can imagine.

Sorry you feel the need to dismiss the testimonies of adult SSA Christians in favor of your opinion. You can claim they're "just confused and in need of counseling" all you like, but you aren't them and that isn't your call to make. In the presence of evidence on one side, and your opinion on the other, which do you think I'm going to go for?

Here's the deal: we keep rehashing the same stuff. You claim that scripture supports your view. So give me scripture. I will debunk your use of it, I have been here before

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[Benjamin]

Sorry you feel the need to dismiss the testimonies of adult SSA Christians in favor of your opinion. You can claim they're "just confused and in need of counseling" all you like, but you aren't them and that isn't your call to make. In the presence of evidence on one side, and your opinion on the other, which do you think I'm going to go for?

Here's the deal: we keep rehashing the same stuff. You claim that scripture supports your view. So give me scripture. I will debunk your use of it, I have been here before

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Your support of the claim of no choice has been logically refuted along with your Argument from Pity fallacy and scripture calling out and condemning your behavior here was added. Also, I agree that with the influences you surround yourself with and your aggressive support of their life choices and opinions you should not be allowed around children or have anything to do with influencing them.

Right, no need to rehash:

You are so brainwashed from the influences in your life that it is no problem for you to believe that this 9 year old boy was born to be attracted to the same sex that you beg the question that he should counseled by an adult of his same kind who is deeply rooted into your type of acceptance.

First of all, I do not assume nor accept any such thing! I believe most the time, almost all the time this type of behavior and/or acceptance is a choice. I don’t care about the fallacious Argument from Pity regarding who would want to choose such a thing. …they willingly do then look for excuses! Often this choice is related to various emotional and relational problems which has developed through sinful ideas being supported others who approve of and propagandize the behavior.

By suggesting that someone who claims to be a Christian and also claims to be born that way and had no choice should be able to use his influences to reinforce the ideas, THE LIES that have been put into a 9 year old child’s head that this type of behavior, something that shouldn’t even be on a 9 year old’s mind except for the widespread indoctrination of our youth from those within the LGBTQ community, only demonstrates that you agree with these influences, nothing more.

Let me be clear, I would doubt that claim from a confessed Christian that he had no choice because he was born that way. Probably 99% of so-called SSA Christians that have filled your head would make that claim. I do not accept this excuse as a truth. It not only defies logic but I‘ve personally witnessed in my lifetime the rise of this popular go-to argument as an excuse and the Argument from Pity which typically follows.

Further, I believe the vast majority of those who buy into this type of sinful supporting arguments are mentally disturbed and are typically encouraged from others with mental issues and perversions. You, young lady, are an example of someone with mental issues that has willingly adopted these arguments to confirm the path you are on.

Secondly, the Bible is full of instruction to stay away from, not partake with, to rebuke and forsake engaging in sin. You have taken the opposite approach and strive to build upon being a biblical apologist as you conform to these sinful worldly thoughts about who you are as a person.

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

2Ti 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (4) And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Thirdly, once again, your arguments are nothing new to me. I have 2 children your age that came up through the public school system but also through my guidance and we have dealt with these arguments since kindergarten. My daughter used to come home crying about the attacks on her because of her disagreement with such issues as the agenda to accept homosexuality as normal as well as abortion but in the end she won many over and was blessed with the knowledge of the truth. I am experienced enough with these issues that I would wager that should I be given custody of that 9 old year old boy that I could totally renew his mind about these thoughts and turn him into an apologist against homosexuality in a month. So tell me HOW do you figure it is best that this young child should be instructed by someone who would merely wink at this type of behavior and beliefs instead of teach him WHY they are evil and wrong?!

I would tell you about my nephew that was on your bandwagon in a bigger way than you but it is a long story and I tire of this format.

I’ll stop there. I’ll not waste my time trying to nail your arguments down through an internet forum as you hide behind a keyboard. I much prefer these conversions in person where I serious doubt you would be bold enough to be mouthing of with statements like, “cry me a river” for your conclusions after you’ve avoided my arguments.

 

[Wingman68]

I will continue my work. Sorry. My orientation doesn't make me a danger in the least

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If you want to continue your work, I suggest you should be honest with the youth pastor, & let him decide if he thinks your ‘orientation’ might be a problem.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Your support of the claim of no choice has been logically refuted

lmao boi WHERE. It ain't refuted just because your crusty butt says it is. All you've given me is unbacked opinions, suppositions, and overly hostile brow-beating, not logic and certainly not evidence. And the single verse you gave was completely inapplicable. Surely you can provide better scriptural support of your claims than that! Gimme something that makes me actually have to do research to refute, ca'mon.

Anyways, this is getting old. If you can't come at me with real evidence and real scripture, then I'm going to stop responding period. There's nothing productive about this conversation at this point.

 

[evenifigoalone]

If you want to continue your work, I suggest you should be honest with the youth pastor, & let him decide if he thinks your ‘orientation’ might be a problem.

Nope, nothing doing. No one has any need to know. I've been going to this church for years, people know me and know what to expect from me. I'm also background checked on a yearly basis.
So, y'know. Go hug a cactus.

 

[Wingman68]

Nope, nothing doing. No one has any need to know. I've been going to this church for years, people know me and know what to expect from me. If anything concerning was there, they would have seen it already. I'm also background checked on a yearly basis.
So, y'know. Go hug a cactus.

Yes, for years, you even listed the church on your home page, so everyone here knows where you ‘mentor’. Go hug a cactus?
Do you think I would be so foolish to have not archived the page?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Sorry you feel the need to dismiss the testimonies of adult SSA Christians in favor of your opinion. You can claim they're "just confused and in need of counseling" all you like, but you aren't them and that isn't your call to make. In the presence of evidence on one side, and your opinion on the other, which do you think I'm going to go for?

You are either missing or ignoring my point. It is because you seem to think that children cannot be indoctrinated, seduced, groomed, tricked into an SSA mindset, and don’t really care anyway that you seem so dangerous. Are you and your friends actually claiming that Scripture says this sort of thing is impossible?

 

[evenifigoalone]

You are either missing or ignoring my point. It is because you seem to think that children cannot be indoctrinated, seduced, groomed, tricked into an SSA mindset, and don’t really care anyway that you seem so dangerous. Are you and your friends actually claiming that Scripture says this sort of thing is impossible?

I am not convinced of that, no. It may make some kids question their sexuality more than previously, and more apt to explore same sex activity. Which is where the parents and church teachings should come in wit the correct approach, ideally.
But I don't believe one will usually remain believing they are something they are not, not into adulthood at least.(Unless we're talking about gender stuff, that I can see. I think most people who claim to be "non-binary" do not suffer from gender dysphoria and just want to seem special, whether they realize or admit it or not.)

 

[Benjamin]

Whatever tickles your pickle.

Here to stay sweetcheeks

So, y'know. Go hug a cactus.

I doubt anyone on this forum ever heard of the terms "side A" and "side B" before I began talking about them a few months ago.

What was it that one member told me..... That this is "the most open forum on the internet"? So, no, I am perfectly within my rights to stay.

When my children were young if they started talking like that, which was unlikely after the age of about 10, I’d want to know who they had been hanging around with and why they've taken such interests in joining a particular group. However, with you that question’s already clear where your habitual veiled vulgarity and phraseology comes from. If such language comes out here it is sure to come in your “children’s ministry” as well…

I'm not going to stop my work at church. Sorrynotsorry.

Like your opinion that you can say anything you like here, your opinion that you "have a right" to work with children at church may be challenged.

Perhaps someone should inquire a moderator review the phrases you resort to here and likewise inform your church of your interests.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Seeing as you refuse to bring up scripture or evidence of any sort, only bring up red herrings, we're done here. I won't be entertaining you further.

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[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I am not convinced of that, no. It may make some kids question their sexuality more than previously, and more apt to explore same sex activity. Which is where the parents and church teachings should come in wit the correct approach, ideally.
But I don't believe one will usually remain believing they are something they are not, not into adulthood at least.(Unless we're talking about gender stuff, that I can see. I think most people who claim to be "non-binary" do not suffer from gender dysphoria and just want to seem special, whether they realize or admit it or not.)

This reveals a lot of fallacious reasoning. These are children we are talking about. They do not have the understanding to deal with these things, nor should they be deliberately exposed to them. Period.

There is zero reason for young children to question their sexuality or to be exposed to such nonsense, which comes from without, not from within. At least you have admitted that this exposure seduces them into exploring the sin of same sex sexual activity, which will involve two.

Now we come to the crux. You say, "But I don't believe one will usually remain believing they are something they are not, not into adulthood at least." So now we have children who have been seduced into the sin of same sex sexual activity who believe this now defines them. Some will somehow finally reject this by adulthood, others will remain trapped in it.

Your evaluation is that those who remain trapped must have been so oriented from birth, while those who manage to escape were not. In other words, you base your conclusion on your denial that exposure to the sin could possibly affect the outcome for these young souls. Fallacious all around.

But don't we have anecdotal evidence from those who think they recall everything that influenced them as a child, and how it all worked? No one should accept that as evidence any more than they should buy into your circular reasoning. Children are ill-equipped to understand how they are being manipulated, much less recalling it as adults, and your conclusion amounts to merely wanting to believe it in the first place.

The Pedo-LGBTQ+ propagandists push such reasoning so that they can have their way with the children. They want a Sodom-and-Gomorrah society.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Anecdotal evidence isn't useless. And when it comes to matters of people's hearts, it's usefulness increases. Aren't our testimonies anecdotal? But we still use them as witnessing tools

But anyway, all you can give on this is your opinion it seems. *shrugs* If that's all you can give, then there's no reason to continue here. My opinion is this and your opinion is that. What more can be said that hasn't already been said.

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[evenifigoalone]

Lastly, I will add that I have gone out of line with insults. I believe I've been provoked to anger, but that's not an excuse. I had already said I would do better, and I failed.

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[Wingman68]

I’m starting to think you may need to add narcissism to your list. You are intent to justify working with children, & dismissive of all of our reasoning of why it’s not the thing to do. As long as you apologize for your trite behavior, it’s onward for you. Disturbing. I’m not sure where it goes from here, or the position of the mods, but I don’t plan to continue ‘discussing’ much of anything with you. It’s a dead end street, not a two way street. Your discussions devolve quickly into leftist insults. You can’t reason with that. It’s a mental disorder, as they say. There are others here who suffer from the same condition, so you may find ‘comfort’ there. As I said before, I archived your information, before you swiped it. I’m praying about it. You can thank me for the honesty of pointing out the info that you provided so you could cover your tracks, but you didn’t. Big of you.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I’m starting to think you may need to add narcissism to your list. You are intent to justify working with children, & dismissive of all of our reasoning of why it’s not the thing to do. As long as you apologize for your trite behavior, it’s onward for you. Disturbing. I’m not sure where it goes from here, or the position of the mods, but I don’t plan to continue ‘discussing’ much of anything with you. It’s a dead end street, not a two way street. Your discussions devolve quickly into leftist insults. You can’t reason with that. It’s a mental disorder, as they say. There are others here who suffer from the same condition, so you may find ‘comfort’ there. As I said before, I archived your information, before you swiped it. I’m praying about it. You can thank me for the honesty of pointing out the info that you provided so you could cover your tracks, but you didn’t. Big of you.

That's okay, I put you on ignore last night, so you won't have to worry about me speaking with you after this. Good day brother.

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[MartyF]

Did you know as a kid that you were straight? Surely you had kiddy crushes? A lot of people who are gay first realized it or at least felt something different at a young age (ie, had kiddy crushes on the same sex)

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Never had kiddy crushes. I think most people don't