Medication vs 'Self" medicating

[freeatlast]

...you folks are shoveling sand against the tide.

I am on five doses of chemicals a day. Just enough to keep my arteries clear and the blood thin enough to make it's appointed rounds.

I don't like taking these chemicals but my age is creeping up on me and the time has come to start getting my affairs in order even if I live another 10 years. Nothing to do with "sin" even though I do sin on a daily basis but for sure, we are all going to die one day in the flesh, due to that original sin. Personally, I'll be glad when it's all over. :thumbs:

This has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[abcgrad94]

I would ask you to show me someone who has had their sin cured by a drug.

I would ask you, where does the Bible say having an illness or brain condition is a sin? It doesn't. So, your "cure" of confessing and forsaking sin has nothing to do with medical ailments. You're applying the wrong cure to the wrong ailment.

Confessing and forsaking sin has to do with one's MORAL condition, not his physical condition.

 

[freeatlast]

First of all, the Bible does not give instructions for every given situation. The Bible teaches principles not specifics. We are told to rightly divide the teachings in those principles and apply them to our situation.

When a person argues that "it can't right because it is not in the Bible", they are basically stating that they have no knowledge of the principles that the Bible teaches.

A better understanding of biblical principle would give you more understanding and compassion for others. Being dogmatic without understanding is dangerous to yourself and to others.

John

But the bible DOES give instructions about dealing with sin and it does not include covering sin with drugs. Confession and forsaking is the only way to deal with sin. The claimed medical conditions today that have to do with behavior problems all are brought on by sin. They do not cause sin in themselves, but are the result of sin. It is the same with alcoholism. A person does not become an alcoholic without first sinning. No one ever become an alcoholic who never took a drink and never got drunk. The same with the claimed medical conditions today. The person has a behavior problem (sin in their life) that is then diagnosed as a medical condition. The problem is that the issue is sin, not a real medical problem. Like the alcoholic who can take medication to hinder the abuse the medication never deals with the real issue, sin. Confessing and forsaking is the only real recovery for sin.

 

[freeatlast]

I would ask you, where does the Bible say having an illness or brain condition is a sin? It doesn't. So, your "cure" of confessing and forsaking sin has nothing to do with medical ailments. You're applying the wrong cure to the wrong ailment.

Confessing and forsaking sin has to do with one's MORAL condition, not his physical condition.

I am not talking about an illness or brain condition. I am talking about a sin issue. Cancer does not make a person sin. Parkinson's does not cause a person to sin, blindness does not cause a person to sin and so on. Indwelling sin causes a person to sin and the problem is that some in the medical field for monetary purposes are diagnosing sin as a mental illness when it is really just sin that needs to be confessed and forsaken.

 

[agedman]

I would ask you to show me someone who has had their sin cured by a drug.

I have not made, nor do I make such a claim. Sin is never cured by a drug.

The only thing that happens is to mask it not fix it. The proof is one of the posters here who uses drugs and he still went went into a rage while on the drug.

I won't presume to know all of what may or may not have been behind your proof.

However, your proof does not support the statement that drugs "mask sin (and) not fix it."

You have posted agreement with drugs being used in severe mental disorders, yet is that not supporting "masking" of some type?

Specifically using ADD as an example, drugs do not "mask" sin, nor do they "fix" the disorder. They aid the afflicted such as glasses aid one who is near sighted and can't see afar off.

Drugs for behavior are nothing but a covering and even that does not work well.

Perhaps not in all cases. For medicine is not an exact science - but then neither is physics. Not "work(ing) well" doesn't mean that it doesn't work.

The bible gives the cure for sin an it is being rejected to accept the way of the world. Confession and forsaking is the only way to deal with sin, not drugs.

No one is arguing the point that confession and forsaking is the only way to deal with sin.

I would consider that we ALL agree with that statement.

 

[freeatlast]

No one is arguing the point that confession and forsaking is the only way to deal with sin.

I would consider that we ALL agree with that statement.

No all here do not agree. That is the problem.

 

[agedman]

I am not talking about an illness or brain condition. I am talking about a sin issue. Cancer does not make a person sin. Parkinson's does not cause a person to sin, blindness does not cause a person to sin and so on. Indwelling sin causes a person to sin and the problem is that some in the medical field for monetary purposes are diagnosing sin as a mental illness when it is really just sin that needs to be confessed and forsaken.

Just to clarify, and not derail the thread, what mental illness is a sin?

And to keep the thread on track, do you consider any of the original OP list a sin?

 

[agedman]

No all here do not agree. That is the problem.

Why would you think that?

I haven't read any posts that would dispute that confession and forsaking sin is the Biblical way.

 

[freeatlast]

Just to clarify, and not derail the thread, what mental illness is a sin?

And to keep the thread on track, do you consider any of the original OP list a sin?

What do you consider mental illness?

ADD, and ADHD are the same thing basically. OCD. By OPD I assume you mean ODD and yes these are all nothing but sin with another name. It is the Medical professions way to define why people do what they do instead of believing what the bible says. The problem is that it has crept into the church and God is no longer the authority, Doctors are. The cure is confession and forsaking, not drugs.

 

[Amy.G]

No all here do not agree. That is the problem.

We DO all agree that we are to confess and forsake our sin. What we DON'T agree with YOU on is your delusion that God has appointed YOU to determine that someone's personal sin has caused their mental disorders.

You are trying to remove the splinter in your brother's eye while there is a sequoia in yours. You are forbidden by God to judge in this way. You are committing a grievous sin and will be judged by the measure you judge others.

(drip, drip, drip :laugh

 

[freeatlast]

Why would you think that?

I haven't read any posts that would dispute that confession and forsaking sin is the Biblical way.

Well then perhaps you need to go back and read the posts. Most are supporting drugs.

 

[freeatlast]

We DO all agree that we are to confess and forsake our sin. What we DON'T agree with YOU on is your delusion that God has appointed YOU to determine that someone's personal sin has caused their mental disorders.

You are trying to remove the splinter in your brother's eye while there is a sequoia in yours. You are forbidden by God to judge in this way. You are committing a grievous sin and will be judged by the measure you judge others.

(drip, drip, drip :laugh

You are claiming that I am doing what you are doing. I am simply stating what the bible says and you cannot stand what it says. Drugs mask sin, confession and forsaking heals them.

 

[Amy.G]

You are claiming that I am doing what you are doing. I am simply stating what the bible says and you cannot stand what it says. Drugs mask sin, confession and forsaking heals them.

You have yet to provide ANY scripture that says drugs mask sin. Until you do, you are just another self righteous judge (Pharisee).

 

[DiamondLady]

Medical intervention and spiritual issues do not blend. The only remedy for sin is confession and forsaking, not drugs. God has given the way to deal with sin. Some people just do not trust Him for it.

Well hallelujah...something on which we agree. However, you need to see that all mental issues are NOT sin issues.

 

[agedman]

Well then perhaps you need to go back and read the posts. Most are supporting drugs.

But you have not shown that taking a prescribed medication is a sin, nor that the medication itself is a sin.

The posts supporting medication are posted in the light that the believer is in no way relieved of the responsibility of confessing and forsaking sin.

 

[DiamondLady]

What do you consider mental illness?

ADD, and ADHD are the same thing basically. OCD. By OPD I assume you mean ODD and yes these are all nothing but sin with another name. It is the Medical professions way to define why people do what they do instead of believing what the bible says. The problem is that it has crept into the church and God is no longer the authority, Doctors are. The cure is confession and forsaking, not drugs.

Would you mind defining, in detail please, what possible agregious sins a little two or three year old boy could have possibly committed in his short life that would have caused him to be stricken with ADD?

How about that little four year old girl who washes and washes her hands? Since I don't think she's read Lady Hamlet's soliloquy. "out damn spot", what horrible sin has she committed that God would send OCD her way?

Oh, and how about the person who simply loses his or her temper because someone on the Baptist Board keeps throwing stones at them? Jesus lost his temper at the money changers....did he have unconfessed sin in his life?

I am not advocating drugs as a solution to sin. Never have, never will. I do advocate drugs as a solution to illness. When I have bronchitis I use my inhaler...I'm sick. When I had the shingles I took those blue horse pills faithfully....the itch was terrible and I wanted them gone! I don't get bronchitis, or I didn't get the shingles because of sin in my life. I got them because of SIN IN THE WORLD! It's the same with other illnesses, mental to be specific. Adam fell from grace and sin entered the picture. Mankind has suffered since. We can only treat the symptoms with medication. Only God can provide the cure for sin. However, let me stress here....confessing sin will not cure someone of ADD, OCD, or anything else. God may, or may not, cure someone. It's no different than praying to be cured of cancer.

 

[freeatlast]

Are you saying people should not seek medical advice? That's what it seems like.

I am saying that there is only one way to overcome sin according to the bible. That is confession and forsaking it.

 

[freeatlast]

You have yet to provide ANY scripture that says drugs mask sin. Until you do, you are just another self righteous judge (Pharisee).

Drugs mask sin. Confession and forsaking is the only way to overcome sin.

 

[freeatlast]

Well hallelujah...something on which we agree. However, you need to see that all mental issues are NOT sin issues.

All behavior issues are sin and only confession and forsaking it will bring healing. Drugs mask sin and confession and forsaking heals.

 

[freeatlast]

But you have not shown that taking a prescribed medication is a sin, nor that the medication itself is a sin.

The posts supporting medication are posted in the light that the believer is in no way relieved of the responsibility of confessing and forsaking sin.

Only confession and forsaking sin is of God. Masking sin is sin as it is impossible to confess and forsake if a person continues to hold on to the sin. Drugs only mask sin, confession and forsaking is the only biblical way to be healed of the sin.