Medication vs 'Self" medicating

[mandym]

As a believer in the bible I know the difference between false teaching and God's word. All bad behavior comes form sin, not a medical condition. Drugs mask, but confession and forsaking heals.

You know nothing of God's word or human behavior.

 

[freeatlast]

You know nothing of God's word or human behavior.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[agedman]

Yes sin is the issue. All wrong behavior is due to sin, not a medical condition. Drugs mask the sin, but confession and forsaking heals. The behavior issues in the OP all can be cured by confession and fosaking.

We all agree that all wrong behavior is due to sin - even those who by the fallen nature sin. For all have sinned...

YOU have not shown "drugs that mask" a sin. I go to the dentist; he masks with drugs. I go to the doctor for broken bones; he masks with drugs. I get a headache; I mask with drugs. If I used the oil of the apothecary that was also used to anoint the tabernacle in the OT and all that pertained to it, that would be a masking with drugs.

Masking with drugs is not in itself a sin.

YOU do not cure ANY of the list in the OP by confession or forsaking.

One might have some measure of success in dealing with the issues of which each bring by discipline, awareness, and accountability to other believers, but there has NEVER been a known cure. Addictive Personality Disorder has no known cure; therefore the alcoholic, drug addict, sexual addict, ... are never "cured" but may have some measure of victory over.

 

[DiamondLady]

As a believer in the bible I know the difference between false teaching and God's word. All bad behavior comes form sin, not a medical condition. Drugs mask, but confession and forsaking heals.

You know, I wish I could be angry with your broken record answers. However, I simply think you are pitiful. I think if you were honest you'd concede you've lost this debate, but you just keep posting the same nonsensical non-answer. NNE HERE disagrees that confession and forsaking are necessary to the remittance of sin. You, however, have not shown that mental disorders are sin. You can not. You have tried to say that God never gets angry.
Deu 4:21 Furthermore the LORD was angry with me
1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon
Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Psa 80:4 O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people?

That's just FOUR of the many, many verses where it plainly states God is Angry. Anger is not always misbehavior, nor is it always sin. Why do you suppose so many people see God as an "angry God" and they're afraid of Him? Well, gee, because they read it in the Bible?

I'm through with this discussion...it's become utterly pointless.

 

[freeatlast]

We all agree that all wrong behavior is due to sin - even those who by the fallen nature sin. For all have sinned...

YOU have not shown "drugs that mask" a sin. I go to the dentist; he masks with drugs. I go to the doctor for broken bones; he masks with drugs. I get a headache; I mask with drugs. If I used the oil of the apothecary that was also used to anoint the tabernacle in the OT and all that pertained to it, that would be a masking with drugs.

Masking with drugs is not in itself a sin.

YOU do not cure ANY of the list in the OP by confession or forsaking.

One might have some measure of success in dealing with the issues of which each bring by discipline, awareness, and accountability to other believers, but there has NEVER been a known cure. Addictive Personality Disorder has no known cure; therefore the alcoholic, drug addict, sexual addict, ... are never "cured" but may have some measure of victory over.

Yes I have shown you but you reject it. Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[Arbo]

As I understand Scripture, I agree. Why do you equate the symptoms of all or most mental illnesses/disorders with sin? You keep saying it's in the Bible, but if you have cited references I've not been able to find the post in which you do. Before you tell me to look again, I have.

Please explain with Scripture why you think all mental illnesses and disorders are based on the sufferer's sin.

I asked you this in another thread and was ignored. I hope you can give a Biblical answer, since that is what you keep claiming to have.

Are outbursts of anger, slander, rage, sin acdcording to scripture?

Not all mental issues manifest themselves in these ways.

Scripture please, if you have it. If not, you are drawing conclusions that are extrabiblical. To claim them to be in Scripture, while knowing they are not would be sin.

How about it, FAL? Are you going to oblige by answering or not? Lay out the Scripture that you have that is the basis for your so-called Biblical position, and show everyone else their error.

Or confess your mistake to to those on the BB, and confess your sin to your God.

If a poll were taken, I'd be pretty surprised if most folks here thought you were full of hot air and yourself because of some of the things you've said when this topic has arisen. But then, you would still say you were right and everyone else was wrong, and you would still goad those who are struggling with mental and emotional issues.

 

[freeatlast]

How about it, FAL? Are you going to oblige by answering or not? Lay out the Scripture that you have that is the basis for your so-called Biblical position, and show everyone else their error.

Or confess your mistake to to those on the BB, and confess your sin to your God.

If a poll were taken, I'd be pretty surprised if most folks here thought you were full of hot air and yourself because of some of the things you've said when this topic has arisen. But then, you would still say you were right and everyone else was wrong, and you would still goad those who are struggling with mental and emotional issues.

Can you give one account in the bible where a drug cured a person from their sin? Do you believe that confession and forsaking is what God calls for in regards to sin?
What does God say we are to do about our sin, use drugs or confesas and forsake?

 

[Arbo]

Can you give one account in the bible where a drug cured a person from their sin? Do you believe that confession and forsaking is what God calls for in regards to sin?
What does God say we are to do about our sin, use drugs or confesas and forsake?

The burden is not on me. Are you able to answer with specific Scripture, or are you blowing hot air?

 

[freeatlast]

The burden is not on me. Are you able to answer with specific Scripture, or are you blowing hot air?

I cannot make you believe the word of God. It is your choice to reject His word, but you are in the majority so if you find comfort there that is your choice. I have given you proof and you reject it. Drugs mask sin but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[Arbo]

Freeatlast- If you cannot answer the question Biblically, it's time to admit you have been wrong. People here are pretty forgiving. If you knowingly claimed things that were not in Scripture, you need to take that up with Our Lord. He's more forgiving.

 

[freeatlast]

You know, I wish I could be angry with your broken record answers. However, I simply think you are pitiful. I think if you were honest you'd concede you've lost this debate, but you just keep posting the same nonsensical non-answer. NNE HERE disagrees that confession and forsaking are necessary to the remittance of sin. You, however, have not shown that mental disorders are sin. You can not. You have tried to say that God never gets angry.
Deu 4:21 Furthermore the LORD was angry with me
1Ki 11:9 And the LORD was angry with Solomon
Psa 7:11 God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.
Psa 80:4 O LORD God of hosts, how long wilt thou be angry against the prayer of thy people?

That's just FOUR of the many, many verses where it plainly states God is Angry. Anger is not always misbehavior, nor is it always sin. Why do you suppose so many people see God as an "angry God" and they're afraid of Him? Well, gee, because they read it in the Bible?

I'm through with this discussion...it's become utterly pointless.

Outbursts of anger are not bridled wrath. To be angry and sin not means you do not All bad behavior is sin. Drugs cover the sin, but confession and forsaking heals.
Let all ...wrath and anger…be put away from you”. (Ephesians 4:31).
“Put off all these: anger, wrath”. (Colossians 3:8).
“The works of the flesh are manifest, which are these: ..wrath” (Galatians 5:19,20).

Likewise, James writes:
“Let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: for the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God”. (James 1:19,20).
Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[freeatlast]

Freeatlast- If you cannot answer the question Biblically, it's time to admit you have been wrong. People here are pretty forgiving. If you knowingly claimed things that were not in Scripture, you need to take that up with Our Lord. He's more forgiving.

If you do not accpt the bible then it is time to say you are wrong. Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[Arbo]

I cannot make you believe the word of God. It is your choice to reject His word, but you are in the majority so if you find comfort there that is your choice. I have given you proof and you reject it. Drugs mask sin but confession and forsaking heals.

That's the thing. You have not cited relevant Scripture and so far refuse to. I told you that I have looked through your posts, and it is nowhere to be found. I asked for the courtesy of you reexplaining it and you refuse.

It is clear to me that you have no Biblical basis for holding that all mental illnesses and disorders are because of the sufferer's unrepentance and unconfessed sin.

 

[agedman]

Yes I have shown you but you reject it. Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

I must have missed the post were you laid out the Scriptural proof that supports your view that "drugs mask sin" and the OP list is sin that can be cured by confession and forsaking.

Perhaps you will be so kind as to post in context such verses and point out exactly so that I don't miss the intent of the Scriptures.

 

[Arbo]

I must have missed the post were you laid out the Scriptural proof that supports your view that "drugs mask sin" and the OP list is sin that can be cured by confession and forsaking.

Perhaps you will be so kind as to post in context such verses and point out exactly so that I don't miss the intent of the Scriptures.

Good luck with that.

 

[freeatlast]

That's the thing. You have not cited relevant Scripture and so far refuse to. I told you that I have looked through your posts, and it is nowhere to be found. I asked for the courtesy of you reexplaining it and you refuse.

It is clear to me that you have no Biblical basis for holding that all mental illnesses and disorders are because of the sufferer's unrepentance and unconfessed sin.

Yes I have and you reject the bible. Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[freeatlast]

I must have missed the post were you laid out the Scriptural proof that supports your view that "drugs mask sin" and the OP list is sin that can be cured by confession and forsaking.

Perhaps you will be so kind as to post in context such verses and point out exactly so that I don't miss the intent of the Scriptures.

It is there. Are you saying that confessing and forsaking is not what God calls for with our sin? And are you saying that the bible calls for some form of medical intervention for sin?

 

[agedman]

Yes I have and you reject the bible. Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

Ah, but it occurs to me that your assumption the I have rejected the Bible is all in your mind; just as poster folks on this thread have asked that you post the Scriptures dealing specifically with the topic and you haven't - but state you have.



Could it be that you are actually an advocate in league with the rest of the posters in agreement but secretly; that you post in oppositional-defiance so that all sides are drawn out?

Or are you actually one who has oppositional-defiant disorder:

Symptoms of ODD may include:

Throwing repeated temper tantrums
Excessively arguing with adults
Actively refusing to comply with requests and rules
Deliberately trying to annoy or upset others, or being easily annoyed by others
Blaming others for your mistakes
Having frequent outbursts of anger and resentment
Being spiteful and seeking revenge
Swearing or using obscene language
Saying mean and hateful things when upset

In addition, many children with ODD are moody, easily frustrated, and have a low self-esteem. They also may abuse drugs and alcohol.​

(from webmd, mental health: Oppositional Defiant Disorder)

This is using sarcasm, as I would assume no diagnostic skills over this forum. :type:

 

[freeatlast]

Ah, but it occurs to me that your assumption the I have rejected the Bible is all in your mind; just as poster folks on this thread have asked that you post the Scriptures dealing specifically with the topic and you haven't - but state you have.



Could it be that you are actually an advocate in league with the rest of the posters in agreement but secretly; that you post in oppositional-defiance so that all sides are drawn out?

Or are you actually one who has oppositional-defiant disorder:

Symptoms of ODD may include:

Throwing repeated temper tantrums
Excessively arguing with adults
Actively refusing to comply with requests and rules
Deliberately trying to annoy or upset others, or being easily annoyed by others
Blaming others for your mistakes
Having frequent outbursts of anger and resentment
Being spiteful and seeking revenge
Swearing or using obscene language
Saying mean and hateful things when upset

In addition, many children with ODD are moody, easily frustrated, and have a low self-esteem. They also may abuse drugs and alcohol.
​

(from webmd, mental health: Oppositional Defiant Disorder)

This is using sarcasm, as I would assume no diagnostic skills over this forum. :type:

Drugs mask sin, but confession and forsaking heals.

 

[agedman]

Already answered multiple times.

But for any who missed.

It is there. Are you saying that confessing and forsaking is not what God calls for with our sin?

No, that is not what I have repeatedly posted.

There is no other way to deal with sin than what God prescribes in the Scriptures - confess and forsake.

And are you saying that the bible calls for some form of medical intervention for sin?

No, that is never been part of any post that I know of on this thread.

Medical intervention does not "cover" nor "cure" sin.

Medical intervention implies that some form of medical interference is involved. Humans have no ability to cover or cure sin. They have the ability to love the sin filled, and the love of God shed abroad through the believer does have the ability to cover.