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Melania Trump Plaigerizes Michelle Obama

Crabtownboy

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Fair is fair. If we pillory Mrs. Trump we also pillory this guy. No double standards.


Fair is fair. Obama is not currently running for office to be the future president. If he plairized it is old news. This is new news and has to do with a possible future president. Trump and his campaign group seem unable to tell the truth and admits a mistake ... though one of their speech writers has said she is at fault and it was plagiarism. If this is the brightest and best he can surround himself with, then we are in very deep trouble if he is elected president. Who will he blame when there is no Hillary around to blame. I guess all his problems will be caused by the media and not by his and his teams poor decisions.

Follow the link and look at his false statements. False being a polite word for lie.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/

Then look at even worse lies, pants on fire:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/pants-fire/
 

Benjamin

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"The media is spending more time doing a forensic analysis of Melania's speech than the FBI spent on Hillary's emails." ~ Donald Trump
 

Squire Robertsson

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As for it being old news, it reminds me of the European adage:
To Americans 100 kilometers (62 miles) is a short distance and 100 years is a long time.​
SNIP{Fair is fair. Obama is not currently running for office to be the future president. If he plagiarized it is old news.SNIP
 

Squire Robertsson

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Rev, I edited the original wording which was slightly barnyard. But, it does follow a common (at least in my circle) saying in dealing with heresy.
A 8 oz. glass of water with 1 percent of strychnine will still kill you; even though it's 99 percent pure.​
Really? You are comparing words to cyanide? This is called Trump derangement syndrome.
 

HankD

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Yeah, it was just a few paragraphs and Michelle delivered hers better anyways.



Honest enough to admit what? That there's such thing as an automatic copyright? Well, yes there is, but it's not an unlimited term - every work created does not qualify. And I didn't think Melinda's case qualified.

Maybe I was not clear, all I was saying is (from one of my official links):

You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work.


Not that there was no such thing as an automatic copyright at all. But it's best to be aware of the laws in any event, you may write a book or something one day.

OK knowing a little bit about this from another venue - one account showed the sentences that Melania spoke and then Michelle's original sentences and in each case at least one word was different which technically speaking probably absolves a plagiarism charge. It was an obvious copy situation but technically would probably fall down in court.

Any lawyers or para-legals out there to verify this?

Having been a software engineer for over 40 years when a charge of source code copyright violation is issued against a programmer a board reviews the two source codes and it takes very little in command source code difference to prove against plagiarism. That's why I don't think it would hold up in court and why I'd like (if possible) a lawyer or para-legal to comment. It may be different for a speech but the principle seems the same.

A lot depends upon the object of the program e.g. a payroll program which calculates wages, tax withholding, etc being so standardized it would be nearly impossible to prove plagiarism.

As for comparing words to poison, who decides when a string of identical words is used that it is deliberate and not coincidental which has been a long time plague in the creation of software and similar source code commands.

With Melania it was fairly obvious and then later attested to that it was a form of plagiarism probably not provable in court (apart from the confession).

HankD
 
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TCassidy

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So you're saying Mrs. Trump is no better than Obama.
I have come to the unfortunate conclusion that you have a reading comprehension problem. I said nothing about either one being better or no better than the other. I said if one is pilloried the other must also be pilloried. What part of that is so difficult to understand?
 

777

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Hank, I'm not an attorney either but I have a good friend that is one. He agrees that there probably isn't a case here but in this state (WA), you have to pass a special bar for patent/copyright attorneys, and he didn't, he is a enviromental attorney, lol.

CBT, careful climbing out on that morality tree - remember who your candidate is.

Light, Obama's lapse is probably worse just because he was actually on the ticket, he headed it up. Trump's campaign might have not known what was going on right after the speech and I'm still not sure it wasn't planned by them from what he said about the later uproar.
 

InTheLight

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What part of that is so difficult to understand?

It's not. In this case no double standard means they are equivalently culpable. If you call one a plagiarizer you must call the other one a plagiarizer. One is not better than the other. Easy, peasy.

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Squire Robertsson

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So, are you willing to label Mr. Obama a plagiarizer?
It's not. In this case no double standard means they are equivalently culpable. If you call one a plagiarizer you must call the other one a plagiarizer. One is not better than the other. Easy, peasy.

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TCassidy

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It's not. In this case no double standard means they are equivalently culpable. If you call one a plagiarizer you must call the other one a plagiarizer. One is not better than the other. Easy, peasy.
No, it simply means they are to be treated the same. If Obama's faux pas is overlooked then so should Mrs. Trump's. If Mrs. Trump is to be pilloried then so should Mr. Obama be pilloried.

That has nothing to do with guilt or innocence. It is about how they are to be treated.
 

Crabtownboy

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steaver

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So, if say, Joe Lieberman were running against Trump, you would be condemning plaigerism, but since it's crooked Hillary, plaigerism is OK?

As with every situation, investigative judgement and context must be considered. According to the facts revealed afterwards, it looks like it was an honest oversight.
 

InTheLight

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As with every situation, investigative judgement and context must be considered. According to the facts revealed afterwards, it looks like it was an honest oversight.
Honest oversight? Melania told her speechwriter she liked Michelle Obama so the speechwriter looked up Obama's speech from the 2008 DNC, copied some phrases and put them into Trump's speech. That's not an oversight, that's the very definition plagiarism.

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steaver

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Honest oversight? Melania told her speechwriter she liked Michelle Obama so the speechwriter looked up Obama's speech from the 2008 DNC, copied some phrases and put them into Trump's speech. That's not an oversight, that's the very definition plagiarism.

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From what i Heard in the news reporting, the speech writer explained how the exact lines where missed and not reworded, and that Melania shared the same sentiments. Seems trivial to me, even if Obama would have done it.
 
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