Miracles

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Marcia:
John, so when intervenes and the Bible calls it a miracle, it can be a natural event?

It can be a natural event, but it need not be a natural event.

Which event in the bible that is called a miracle do you think could be natural?

Dunno. I wasn't there.

Why is it great if God is just doing something natural? Doing something in the natural is something men can do.

Really? Can men make weather or earthquakes, planets or stars? All of these are naturally occurring, yet man can make none of them. You err by presuming that natural=man-doable.

 

[Marcia]

So you still think that if Jesus had the water poured out and someone put wine in the barrels, it was a miracle? How was it a miracle? What's so great about that?

You err in saying you were not there so you don't know. You don't have to be there. We have God's word that turning water into wine was a miracle. The word miracle in the Bible means a supernatural act of God; it's something man cannot do. If it could be done naturally, why would doing such a thing show that Jesus was the Messiah?

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by Marcia:
So you still think that if Jesus had the water poured out and someone put wine in the barrels, it was a miracle? How was it a miracle? What's so great about that?

You KNOW that's not what I'm saying.

You err in saying you were not there so you don't know.

I dunno, I'm pretty sure I wasn't there.

You don't have to be there. We have God's word that turning water into wine was a miracle.

Agreed. That's sufficient. How it happenned is immaterial. That God did it is.

The word miracle in the Bible means a supernatural act of God

No, it doesn't, it means a work of wonder done by God. It may indeed include the supernatural, but that is not a prerequisite. We're going to have to agree to disagree here.

Please know that I respect you and your view. I simply don't agree in this one instance.

; it's something man cannot do.

You're falsely presuming that "not supernatural" means that "man can do it". That's just not so. Again, we're going to have to agree to disagree.

If it could be done naturally, why would doing such a thing show that Jesus was the Messiah?

The OT attributes "signs and wonders" to the Messiah. That's sufficient for me. What makes Jesus the Messiah? He died for my sins. That's likewise sufficient.