Mitch McConnell speech - yada-yada-yada

[Yeshua1]

What I am saying Jon is the Court made a political calculation to "not do damage." They aren't supposed to consider the damage (in this case the potential to overturn an election), they are supposed to consider the laws as written.

And actually the Constitution does not give the Court the right to not hear a case. You will not find that anywhere in Article 3. In fact, that didn't happen until 1925.

Funny they rushed the decision to declare Bush President very night of the election!

 

[Reformed1689]

Funny they rushed the decision to declare Bush President very night of the election!

Huh?

 

[JonC]

What I am saying Jon is the Court made a political calculation to "not do damage." They aren't supposed to consider the damage (in this case the potential to overturn an election), they are supposed to consider the laws as written.

And actually the Constitution does not give the Court the right to not hear a case. You will not find that anywhere in Article 3. In fact, that didn't happen until 1925.

I agree with you to a great extent. But there are a lot of cases, I'm sure a lot with merit, sent to the Supreme Court that are never even heard. The Constitution does not prohibit the Supreme Court in choosing cases to hear.. Unlike other federal courts, the Supreme Court DOES have the right to decide what cases it will hear - not via constitutional authority but by precedent (there are over 8.000 cases pushed up to the Supreme Court....it is impossible that all be heard).

 

[Yeshua1]

Huh?

The SC had an emergency session to see if the Florida vote would count to have Bush elected, did not wait

 

[Reformed1689]

I agree with you to a great extent. But there are a lot of cases, I'm sure a lot with merit, sent to the Supreme Court that are never even heard. The Constitution does not prohibit the Supreme Court in choosing cases to hear.. Unlike other federal courts, the Supreme Court DOES have the right to decide what cases it will hear - not via constitutional authority but by precedent (there are over 8.000 cases pushed up to the Supreme Court....it is impossible that all be heard).

I agree, however, in these cases the court has had original jurisdiction and therefore should not be neglecting to hear the case. These, quite honestly, are some of the highest profile cases in the history of the United States and the Court neglected its duty to ensure the law has been followed.

 

[JonC]

I agree, however, in these cases the court has had original jurisdiction and therefore should not be neglecting to hear the case. These, quite honestly, are some of the highest profile cases in the history of the United States and the Court neglected its duty to ensure the law has been followed.

I think the biggest problem with the Supreme Court is accountability. They are supposed to be apolitical, but what if they are not? They have lifetime appointments and are only accountable to themselves. They are the most powerful body in the U.S.

 

[Reformed1689]

I think the biggest problem with the Supreme Court is accountability. They are supposed to be apolitical, but what if they are not? They have lifetime appointments and are only accountable to themselves. They are the most powerful body in the U.S.

Actually they can be impeached. Not that the Democrats are going to impeach their champions.

 

[xlsdraw]

They do not have to say whether or not the case has merit (in fact, they are not supposed to say whether or not a case has merit). Again, they can decide whether or not to hear a case, and even when to hear a case. Your argument seems to be that the U.S. Constitution gives them too much power, and I may agree with you if that is the case. But it is still the power that the U.S. Constitution gives them.

Perhaps it was too much of an assumption with our founding fathers that these justices could act apolitically.

The founding fathers didn't account for the influence and interference of the spirit world. The road has to paved for the Antichrist's reign.

 

[JonC]

The founding fathers didn't account for the influence and interference of the spirit world. The road has to paved for the Antichrist's reign.

I agree. They did not realize that they were paving the way but such is the world. The Kingdom is not of this world..

 

[Yeshua1]

I agree. They did not realize that they were paving the way but such is the world. The Kingdom is not of this world..

Does not mean though to just throw hands up in air and just wait for coming Kingdom!

 

[JonC]

Does not mean though to just throw hands up in air and just wait for coming Kingdom!

You are right. We do not have to wait for the Kingdom (the Kingdom is here, I suspect to an extent you have not yet entertained).

 

[Yeshua1]

You are right. We do not have to wait for the Kingdom (the Kingdom is here, I suspect to an extent you have not yet entertained).

I am waiting for the fullness of the Kingdom when Jesus returns to rule and reign!

 

[JonC]

I am waiting for the fullness of the Kingdom when Jesus returns to rule and reign!

These are VERY dangerous words. We are called into the Kingdom NOW, we are called to be Kingdom People in the PRESENT, and we were saved for this purpose.

I am not sure that those who refuse to participate in the Kingdom now but are instead are waiting for its fullness to come will even find themselves in the Kingdom when it does come in its fullness.

 

[Yeshua1]

These are VERY dangerous words. We are called into the Kingdom NOW, we are called to be Kingdom People in the PRESENT, and we were saved for this purpose.

I am not sure that those who refuse to participate in the Kingdom now but are instead are waiting for its fullness to come will even find themselves in the Kingdom when it does come in its fullness.

The early Church was awaiting for the Lord Jesus to return and set up as the true King His Kingdom, right?
That is our "blessed hope"

 

[JonC]

The early Church was awaiting for the Lord Jesus to return and set up as the true King His Kingdom, right?
That is our "blessed hope"

No, wrong. The Early Church considered themselves as Kingdom participants while waiting for Christ to return. They believed that they were in the Tribulation period and anticipated Christ's return to be soon as well.

But Christians are people who have entered into God's Kingdom in the present and are doing Kingdom work while they await the fuller coming of the Kingdom with Christ's return.

I am not sure that one can be a Christian (except by name) except they do the work that God has prepared beforehand that they do. We are not saved for ourselves but for the glory of God and Scripture at least hints that this Kingdom activity will be Christ working in and through those who are truly God's people.

 

[777]

what did John Adams say? This government was for a Godly people, look around, they're not anymore. Something like abortion enshrined in law coarsens the culture and now you have Christians perpetuation election theft in broad daylight.

@777 ,

I never considered this before, and do not know the answer (perhaps you do) -

The appointment of the Justices was presented as a move to ban abortions (by Republicans and Democrats).

But laws banning abortion were based on common law (not Constitutional law). It seems the most that could be accomplished in regards to federal law would be to put the decision back in the states hands (to reverse R vs W) as abortions themselves were never considered unconstitutional.

Am I missing something?

You are dead right here - until RvW, abortion was never considered constitutional or unconstitutional, just like patricide and matricide was thought as neither. What RvW said was it was a constitutional right and the lesser known "Doe" extended it to abortion on demand. Overturning it would revert the issue back to the states, which I used to think was going to happen but I don't think that anymore - abortion is a bedrock to the left, this SCOTUS will be too scared to do something that controversial in such a secular and godless country.

 

[JonC]

what did John Adams say? This government was for a Godly people, look around, they're not anymore. Something like abortion enshrined in law coarsens the culture and now you have Christians perpetuation election theft in broad daylight.




You are dead right here - until RvW, abortion was never considered constitutional or unconstitutional, just like patricide and matricide was thought as neither. What RvW said was it was a constitutional right and the lesser known "Doe" extended it to abortion on demand. Overturning it would revert the issue back to the states, which I used to think was going to happen but I don't think that anymore - abortion is a bedrock to the left, this SCOTUS will be too scared to do something that controversial in such a secular and godless country.

Good point that the government was for Godly people.

I have always voted Republican because of my stance against abortion. I voted for Trump the last two times for this reason. But I have come to see abortion as more of a political tool for the GOP than anything that will ever change, and this is because while the government was for a Godly people our politics have become ungodly and designed for the interest of one's party.

There is no chance the GOP will ever stop abortions or even make abortion illegal. And they know it. The best they could do is something that will never be done - a repeal of Roe vs Wade. But even if Roe vs Wade is reversed, all that will happen is it will fall back onto states to make abortion laws. Reversing Roe vs Wade would not make abortion illegal, it would just create the possibility a few states may ban it within their borders.

So the GOP has been using abortion as a narrative to gain votes. Realizing this, it seems that the best position for the Christian to take against abortion is not the GOP but the Church and reaching out to give those women the gospel of Jesus Christ, helping them to see another way and an option for the child, if poverty is the issue help open up a way for the mother and child to live, if other issues are present help find a way to save the child (perhaps adoption), and if abortion is performed continue to show the woman the love of Christ.

 

[JonC]

Actually they can be impeached. Not that the Democrats are going to impeach their champions.

The irony is that Republican appointed Justices have had the majority on the Supreme Court since the 1970's....we're talking half a century that Republicans have controlled the Supreme Court.

 

[Yeshua1]

No, wrong. The Early Church considered themselves as Kingdom participants while waiting for Christ to return. They believed that they were in the Tribulation period and anticipated Christ's return to be soon as well.

But Christians are people who have entered into God's Kingdom in the present and are doing Kingdom work while they await the fuller coming of the Kingdom with Christ's return.

I am not sure that one can be a Christian (except by name) except they do the work that God has prepared beforehand that they do. We are not saved for ourselves but for the glory of God and Scripture at least hints that this Kingdom activity will be Christ working in and through those who are truly God's people.

The blessed hope is the Second Coming of the Lord jesus, tom resurrect and glorify us, and to set up His Kingdom in earnest!

 

[Yeshua1]

Good point that the government was for Godly people.

I have always voted Republican because of my stance against abortion. I voted for Trump the last two times for this reason. But I have come to see abortion as more of a political tool for the GOP than anything that will ever change, and this is because while the government was for a Godly people our politics have become ungodly and designed for the interest of one's party.

There is no chance the GOP will ever stop abortions or even make abortion illegal. And they know it. The best they could do is something that will never be done - a repeal of Roe vs Wade. But even if Roe vs Wade is reversed, all that will happen is it will fall back onto states to make abortion laws. Reversing Roe vs Wade would not make abortion illegal, it would just create the possibility a few states may ban it within their borders.

So the GOP has been using abortion as a narrative to gain votes. Realizing this, it seems that the best position for the Christian to take against abortion is not the GOP but the Church and reaching out to give those women the gospel of Jesus Christ, helping them to see another way and an option for the child, if poverty is the issue help open up a way for the mother and child to live, if other issues are present help find a way to save the child (perhaps adoption), and if abortion is performed continue to show the woman the love of Christ.

We are in a Cult of death though in this nation, as we have legislated and had judges pronounce the death sentence upon infants, who have been executed in the millions mainly due to the sake of "not planned for/not wanted.cannot support" etc!