Zaac
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I see........
You OBVIOUSLY can't see based upon your previous assertion.
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Yet neither received a national stage during their election cycles to run in front of the entire country and the world as Mormon Presidential nominee.
And I'll place you right in that category with all the other folks who have set this man's election up as an idol , and who will choose to bear false witness based upon your politics instead of what I have expressed plenty of times in the past about both candidates.
Y'all continue to show the wickedness of your own hearts about AN ELECTION that blinds you to the truth about Romney. And that is reinforced by the fact that the lot of you keep pushing the lie that I'm in the tank for someone who I have repeatedly said in the past I wouldn't vote for if he were running against himself.
But it's thus type of bearing of false witness that assures me of the wickedness behind the support of this man who worships a false god so much so that folks who say God is directing them to vote for that which is against Him will continue to flat out or imply a lie.
This thread had nothing to do with that.
You're a Christian. He shouldn't be turning you into anything. But then again, he has captured your mind enough that you will bear false witness about something that I have repeatedly made my position clear on.
What is fundamentally transforming America is a bunch of Christians who compromise when they feel they don't have a choice.
It is obvious that a nerve has been touched.:laugh:
Zaac....I'm no Romney supporter...per/se...I have Mormon relatives who I pray for that are terribly deceived religiously and I also don't like the fact that he has flip-flopped in the past on all of the most important moral issues that I as a Christian stand for. I also don't think it is possible for ANY truly born-again Christian to be right with God and vote for somebody like Obama so that is a no-brainer for me. SN's previous comments about the Constitution Party and the Libertarians ring true as well (I voted for Chuck Baldwin in 08) and the CP doesn't even have ballot access in enough states to make a difference this time (how many times have you even heard Virgil Goode's name either on TV OR the internet lately?)
THE real question is...what other choices do we have? I submit the answer is NONE. As a Christian I am terribly conflicted by what I see. As an American who treasures my freedom to vote and participate in the right I have to do so I don't feel right about abstaining from the process. AS AN AMERICAN I'm afraid that this time there is no 100% comfortable and good answer to any of these questions.
As a Christian I have to remember that Romans 13 teaches that "the powers that be are ordained of God" and even Obama would not have ultimately won the White House unless God had ordained it to be so. I believe God has an ultimate purpose in what He either directly causes or even (if it's possible) allows. I personally believe at least a part of His purpose in allowing the current occupant of the WH and his horrendous public policies is to give the people of this country a taste of the fruits of their national sins and earnestly begin to bring judgement upon us for them. It is, in my opinion, a clear call to repentance first to the people of God and then to the lost.
As Christians...we (easily) say we "want the will of God". My contention is...THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GETTING RIGHT NOW! Whoever wins the White House in this election cycle will just be MORE OF THE SAME.
Here's a twisted sort of question...given what Roman's 13 apparently teaches...are we, as Christians, voting AGAINST the will of God if we vote against Obama?...that is IF judgement is God's will for America? How's THAT for a brain teaser?
The truth is...a Romney Presidency may just be a continuation of that(judgement) in another form. Think about it.
Unfortunately, unless you just decide to stay home and not vote...it appears that the only choice we have as Christians is to vote for the one that "at least" professes to hold the same general moral standards that we embrace.
The only thing that the media is giving much depth to in their reporting is the economic issues and as far as that goes Romney is (in my opinion) the clear choice simply because he knows how to apply sound business principles to the problems we have in that respect. Obama doesn't even have a clue. He thinks like Robin Hood....rob from the rich and give to the poor...typical socialism. Anyway...that's all I got for now...let the games continue.:type:
By the way Zaac...who ARE you voting for....if I may be so direct as to ask? (as for me....I guess I'm gonna have to hold my nose and vote for Romney....at least that's what I'm thinking right now....!):smilewinkgrin:
Zaac- A consistent theme in your anti-Romney posts/threads is that you are opposed to him because he is a "false god worshipper". My question to you is, who do you think Barak Obama worships?
If I were to go by your logic as I understand it, I must be opposed to to anyone but Chrisians holding office- from federal to state to county to local. It is just not practical;
and were it so, I believe that the freedom to practice our religion would evolve into a state church of sorts.
Though I disagree with the truth of Mitt Romney's religion as much as I disagree with the hypocrisy of Barak Obama's adherence to whatever Christianity he believes, they are the only two viable candidates to choose from at this time.
Any write in or third party vote cast is a vote that is worthless...except for the value that it makes one feel righteous.
This thread is about Mitt Romney's Presidential nomination giving Mormonism a larger platform upon which to expand. And based upon the original story, I'd say it's safe to say that Mormons are already starting to make quite the effort to seize the opportunity.
why would I go after Obama? Give me a board full of Obama supporters and i'll go after Obama.
The spiritual blindness on THIS board is mostly from Romney supporters.
It's funny to read yall's little comments about what "you see" and what you think "you know" because it highlights why I know where your wisdom for this election and everything else is coming from.
14 But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. 15 Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. James 3:14-15
So while you wear the name reverend, your continued lack of discernment highlights who you're getting your wisdom from and makes clear why you and arbo are so in the tank for that which is against God.
And I'll place you right in that category with all the other folks who have set this man's election up as an idol
Y'all continue to show the wickedness of your own hearts
You're a Christian. He shouldn't be turning you into anything. But then again, he has captured your mind enough that you will bear false witness
Arbo, though you continue with your lies
This thread is about Mitt Romney's Presidential nomination giving Mormonism a larger platform upon which to expand. And based upon the original story, I'd say it's safe to say that Mormons are already starting to make quite the effort to seize the opportunity.
Zaac's posting technique is typically a lot of hyperbole mixed with innuendo. In the interest of public service, I hereby offer a translation of the posts made by Zaac in this thread.
Zaac: "I'm an equal opportunity troll."
Zaac: "This board is rife with spiritual blindness, the majority of the spiritually blind are Romney supporters."
Zaac: "RevMitchell gets his wisdom from the devil."
Zaac: "LadyEagle has made electing Romney into an idol."
Zaac: "Most of the people on BB have wicked hearts."
Zaac: "Romney has so mesmerized LadyEagle that she now bears false witness."
Zaac: "Arbo is a liar."
Really, I don't understand how LadyEagle, in her role as moderator, lets this guy continue to post. He basically insults people and calls into question their witness and their spiritual maturity, along with their motivations for posting.
Zaac...I know that is what your OP is about and the truth is that it is almost 100% certain that a Romney presidency would almost certainly lead to an expansion of the Mormon (so-called) "Church". As for Christians...our salvation or the growth of the true church of the Lord Jesus Christ is not now, nor ever will be found in secular politics or elected politicians of any stripe. As for the premise of your thread...well I think the biggest CURRENT example of your premise is the rise and expansion of ISLAM inside the borders of the USA since Barack Obama took office.....so yes....the mormons would probably get a boost just like the muslims have. Either way it is for false religion that is Satanically inspired.
By the way...I am intrigued by your apparent support for writing in someone in lieu of the other options that we are having forced upon us. May I ask who you would support as a write-in? Is it someone nationally known? If so, I assume they would be a Bible-Believing Christian that holds to orthodox fundamentally sound Bible beliefs? I'm curious and I am serious. I'd like another option myself for the same reasons you state. I have believed for soem time now that Christians will be held answerable and responsible at the JSOC for their choices about things such as this. A clear conscience means much to me. I want to do that which honors God. He is ALL that matters...amen?raying:
Bro.Greg:thumbsup:
Arbo, though you continue with your lies, I have said repeatedly that though Obama professes to be a Christian, I have yet to see anything in his actions that gives testimony of that. And that was from day 3 of his administration and okaying our tax dollars to be used to fund international abortion. .
It is practical unless you and the rest of Christendom aren't collectively getting Christian candidates to run locally, statewide and nationally. It's very practical..
I don't know why some have placed such special importance on voting...
If you were voting for mayor and one candidate was pro-abortion and the other was an atheist and pro-life, why vote for either?.
God is sovereign and is God alone. So I don't know how we get to the point of thinking that our voting for that which is against Christ is going to change anything for the better..
Nope. That's just the excuse folks are using. God ain't told anyone that they MUST support that which is against Him when the two leading options are against Him..
You and a lot of other evangelicals want someone you think is less dangerous than Obama and who you believe capable of fixing what Obama has screwed up..
There's too much focus on this world and not enough on the Kingdom to come.
If the anti-Christs want this world, let them have it. Have you not read Scripture? Do you not know it's supposed to get to this? Knowing what Scripture says, it should be a no-brainer for us to not support EITHER of the anti-Christs..
And what does it make you feel to cast a vote for what you believe to be one of the two viable candidates? Are you more righteous than the one who chooses to not vote for either? Your comments and the comments of many on this board would certainly lead one to think that's what is believed.
I don't moderate this forum/thread. Otherwise, I would delete out the personal attacks. LE
Really, I don't understand how LadyEagle, in her role as moderator, lets this guy continue to post. He basically insults people and calls into question their witness and their spiritual maturity, along with their motivations for posting.
I don't moderate this forum/thread. Otherwise, I would delete out the personal attacks. LE
Oh, OK. I didn't even see that this was General Baptist Discussion. Given the subject matter I thought it was in Politics.
Shouldn't it be moved there?
ITL...I'm certainly NOT "rubberstamping" everything that Zaac has said in his responses in either this thread or any other I have seen him post in but I have been following "the point" he is trying to get across. I think that point is..in my opinion... that Gov. Romney is, by Biblical definition, a member of a false,Satanically inspired religion that is not worthy of the votes of PROFESSED Bible-Believing Christians. His viewpoint is a valid one and worthy of consideration no matter what conclusions we all come to.
That said....some of his responses are "over-the-top" but I personally believe that he is responding out of a growing sense of frustration that comes when otherwise normal, seemingly orthodox Christians apparently CLOSE THEIR BIBLES and begin making their political decisions based on the wisdom of this world.
We are supposed to be more about helping to "birth" new citizens into a "far Country"...amen?:thumbsup:
Bro.Gregraying:
Then I guess you would likewise delete out your own hyperbole and innuendo and that of the others who seem to troll around telling me I'm in the tank for Obama.
Inthelight---"There he goes again with his anti-Romney rants".