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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Iconoclast, Jul 19, 2020.

  1. Barry Johnson

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    mon·er·gism | \ ˈmänə(r)ˌjizəm \
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    Definition of monergism


    : the theological doctrine that regeneration is exclusively the work of the Holy Spirit

    ok by this definition of course we should all believe that it is the work of the Holy Spirit which Baptises ( not with water ) us into the Body . We cannot birth ourselves ..i don't k no w anyone that says that they birthed themselves. Not even Catholics.
     
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    Not found in the Bible as terms, but the doctrines are certainly there!
     
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    The defining line is what must be done in order to get us to that stage of having "saving faith"
     
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    Think that we are just looking at it in different time frames!
     
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    " saving faith " wheres that in the bible . "
     
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    the just shall live by their faith!
     
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    Which verse are you quoting ?
     
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    So do you believe they all mean the same ?
    can you see a difference between habakuk and romans for example. ?
    Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith."
    Habakkuk 2:4, KJV


    "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith."
    Romans 1:17, KJV
    ??
     
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    Sorry, not sure what you're saying, or arguing.
     
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    The " Faith " in eph 2 .8 is not the gift . Salvation is the gift .
     
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    As for me, I'd side with you on that particular point. I do believe Paul had salvation in mind in that particular verse.
     
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    Salvation includes the gift a repentance and saving faith.
     
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    I definitely believe repentance is granted by God, and cannot happen otherwise.
     
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    The Jews are granted repentance and the Gentiles are granted repentance. There not individual gifts . Again this is Augustine trying to argue with Palagius . Augustine coming up with ideas on how to have God causing belief .
     
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    He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
    Acts 5.31
    Acts 11:18

    When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.”

    And there is no term ' saving faith ' in the bible . Nor ' died to save '
     
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    Nor is Trinity. It's a meaningless argument.

    Rom. 10:10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.​

    Saving faith, my friend.
     
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    Rather ..
    10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
     
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    My point is about 'loaded terms ' The trinity is not a loaded term . 'saving faith is a loaded term. If you mean we are saved by our faith ( believing the Gosepl )then ok .
     
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