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Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation

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timdabap

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Eternal salvation, that salvation wrought by God in His Only Begotten, is monergistic. All OF God, BY God, FROM God, NONE added from man. Post 7-8 Scriptures, Old or New Testament, that speaks to eternal salvation.
I can't find 7.
Most that I find involves man doing something, like repent, or believe.
Maybe all y'all can do better.
 

SavedByGrace

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Eternal salvation, that salvation wrought by God in His Only Begotten, is monergistic. All OF God, BY God, FROM God, NONE added from man. Post 7-8 Scriptures, Old or New Testament, that speaks to eternal salvation.
I can't find 7.
Most that I find involves man doing something, like repent, or believe.
Maybe all y'all can do better.

Jesus Christ, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel" Mark 1:15

REPENTANCE is for the forgiveness of sins, Jesus' words in Luke 24:47

After Peter preached his first sermon on the Day of Pentecost, those who were listening, were "cut to the heart" (convicted by the Holy Spirit), who said to Peter, "what shall we DO?" To which Peter replies, "REPENT...for the forgiveness of sins" (Acts 2:37-38)

monergism, is NOT what the Holy Bible Teaches. This is man-made theology!
 

timdabap

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Jesus Christ, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel" Mark 1:15

REPENTANCE is for the forgiveness of sins, Jesus' words in Luke 24:47
Repentance, belief.....WORKS of righteousness....so there you go, can't find even four verses where salvation is all the righteous work of God, none of man, can you ?

Jesus Christ, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel" Mark 1:15
After Peter preached his first sermon on the Day of Pentecost, those who were listening, were "cut to the heart"

CORPSES get cut to the heart ? come on, even you don't believe that, do ya ?
Remember Ephesians 2 where Paul said to the Ephesians that God MADE THEM ALIVE (quickened) who were DEAD in trespasses and sin ?
So the dead, a corpse, can't be "cut to the heart"....
LIFE precedes action....Peter's words hit them hard with guilt because they were already made alive by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Christ, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel"

Mark 1:15
(convicted by the Holy Spirit), who said to Peter, "what shall we DO?" To which Peter replies, "REPENT...for the forgiveness of sins" (Acts 2:37-38)
There it is....another DO this....

Jesus Christ, "REPENT and BELIEVE in the Gospel" Mark 1:15
monergism, is NOT what the Holy Bible Teaches. This is man-made theology!

Monergism is the term used by man, and a correct one, too, where glory for the eternal salvation of God's elect is God's alone, the Triune God.....the Father chose based on His foreknowledge, the Spirit sanctified, and the Son sprinkled with His blood the Father's elect and the Spirit's sanctified...1 Peter 1:2
Sovereign Electing Grace is a doctrine from heaven, taught by the Father to the Son, delivered by the Son to His disciples, and it is the doctrine practiced by the TRUE New Testament Church, it is.
 

SavedByGrace

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Repentance, belief.....WORKS of righteousness....so there you go, can't find even four verses where salvation is all the righteous work of God, none of man, can you ?



CORPSES get cut to the heart ? come on, even you don't believe that, do ya ?
Remember Ephesians 2 where Paul said to the Ephesians that God MADE THEM ALIVE (quickened) who were DEAD in trespasses and sin ?
So the dead, a corpse, can't be "cut to the heart"....
LIFE precedes action....Peter's words hit them hard with guilt because they were already made alive by the Holy Spirit.

There it is....another DO this....



Monergism is the term used by man, and a correct one, too, where glory for the eternal salvation of God's elect is God's alone, the Triune God.....the Father chose based on His foreknowledge, the Spirit sanctified, and the Son sprinkled with His blood the Father's elect and the Spirit's sanctified...1 Peter 1:2
Sovereign Electing Grace is a doctrine from heaven, taught by the Father to the Son, delivered by the Son to His disciples, and it is the doctrine practiced by the TRUE New Testament Church, it is.

Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried out, and said, “In forty days, Nineveh will be overthrown!” 5 The people of Nineveh believed God; and they proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from their greatest even to their least. 6 The news reached the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne, and took off his royal robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes. 7 He made a proclamation and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, “Let neither man nor animal, herd nor flock, taste anything; let them not feed, nor drink water; 8 but let them be covered with sackcloth, both man and animal, and let them cry mightily to God. Yes, let them turn everyone from his evil way, and from the violence that is in his hands. 9 Who knows whether God will not turn and relent, and turn away from his fierce anger, so that we might not perish?” 10 God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way. God relented of the disaster which he said he would do to them, and he didn’t do it. (Jonah 3)

Firstly, God says to Jonah, "Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and preach against it, for their wickedness has come up before me" (1:3). Jonah, being the original "Calvinist", refused to go and preach to these "wicked" people, as they were not Jews, and therefore, not part of the "elect". God, Who is not a "Calvinist", and Greatly Loves the entire human race, disagred with Jonah, and made sure that he did go back with the Gospel of their salvation. When these wicked people heard the GOOD NEWS, they BELIEVED GOD, which is THEIR FAITH. Then they showed their sorrow for their wicked ways, by proclaiming a fast, and putting on sackcloth, and cired out mightly to God for His GRACE, and repented of their sins. In verse 10, it says, that "God saw their WORKS", not to "merit" their salvation, but, "that they turned from their evil way", which is what REPERNTANCE is about!

WHY would God desire the salvation of these WICKED, non-Jewish, non-elect people???

Simple, because the "Reformed" teaching is WRONG!

You talk about "corpses being dead", if you read your Bible more, and not the nonsense that "reformed theology" spouts, you just might learn!

In John chapter 5, we read of Jesus Christ and some Jews who took offense at His healing on the Sabbath Day. They wanted to murder Him for this, as well as Jesus' making Himself equal to God (verses 17-18). To these very Jews, who wanted to murder Jesus, He says:

"Most certainly I tell you, he who hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life, and doesn’t come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. Most certainly I tell you, the hour comes, and now is, when the dead will hear the Son of God’s voice; and those who hear will live" (24-25)

Clearly these Jews who wanted to murder Jesus, for whom there is no evidence that they were ever saved. Jesus says thay they could HEAR His Words and BELIEVE! They can't be DEAD as the "reformed" teach, as they were capable of HEARING and BELIEVING!

Jesus goes on to tell these Jews

"But the testimony which I receive is not from man. However, I say these things that you may be saved" (verse 34)

Jesus clearly desired their SALVATION!

Jesus then says to them

"“You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me. Yet you will not come to me, that you may have life" (39-40).

Jesus does not say that they COULD NOT come, as though some external force was preventing them; but, literally, "you REFUSE to come", for what? "that YOU may have eternal life"! TOTALLY AGAINST the false teaching of the "reformed"!
 

Van

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Calvinists deny "Monergistic ETERNAL Salvation"

They claim salvation depends on man-made doctrine rather than scripture.

Romans 9:16 says salvation does not depend on the man that wills, but Calvinism says it means salvation does not depend on the man that is unable to will.

They say no one (as an unregenerate) seeks God, thus they deny all the verses describing unregenerates seeking God.

They say people actually in the process of entering the Kingdom were not seeking God.

When scripture says once we were children of wrath, they say it means the elect were never children of wrath.

When scripture says we were chosen for salvation through our faith when credited by God as righteousness, they say we were not chosen through faith, but instead were chosen without faith.

Calvinism ignores Romans 4:16 and says faith is works and not according to grace.
 

37818

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read your Bible again. it sure IS!

Unless you think that God does the repenting and believing for the sinner?
One can repent and beleive and unless God does the regeneration one remains toast. John 1:12-13, ". . .
as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Even though God requires faith of those He regenerates. He does the regeneration of the believer. So salvation can only be monergistic. There is no other way. John 14:6. John 6:44.
 
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SavedByGrace

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One can repent and beleive and unless God does the regeneration one remains toast. John 1:12-13, ". . .
as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Even though God requires faith of those He regenerates. He does the regeneration of the believer. So salvation can only be monergistic. There is no other way. John 14:6. John 6:44.

I do not believe that verse 13 refers to the "children of God", but to the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ. The reading from the singular, "ἐγεννήθη", to the plural ἐγεννήθησαν, is an early corruption
 

kyredneck

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So the dead, a corpse, can't be "cut to the heart"....
LIFE precedes action....Peter's words hit them hard with guilt because they were already made alive by the Holy Spirit.

Precisely. They were regenerate already:

5 Now there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, from every nation under heaven. Acts 2

Synergism: the doctrine that the human will cooperates with the Holy Ghost in the work of regeneration.

Monergism: the doctrine that the Holy Ghost acts independently of the human will in the work of regeneration.
 

Dr. Bob

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Salvation is 100% of God's grace or it is NOT grace. Even the BEST work/action of a man is "filthy rags". If I cooperate with God, is that a good thing? Yep. I can't and won't cooperate.

So, 0% of my salvation is Bob. That means (if my math skills are correct) 100% is God.

Man's response to this salvation is amazing. God changes the heart of stone into a living heart. He breathes into the corpse life. He gives us repentance and faith.

Only THEN (AFTER God has done this amazing, invisible, regenerative work by His holy Spirit) can a man then turn from sin and believe the message of the cross.

Any other view of salvation give ME a % of the event, and then it is a work and no longer grace. Feel so sad for brethren here who have to elevate themselves by their works to somehow "help" God out. :( :(
 

SavedByGrace

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Salvation is 100% of God's grace or it is NOT grace. Even the BEST work/action of a man is "filthy rags". If I cooperate with God, is that a good thing? Yep. I can't and won't cooperate.

So, 0% of my salvation is Bob. That means (if my math skills are correct) 100% is God.

Man's response to this salvation is amazing. God changes the heart of stone into a living heart. He breathes into the corpse life. He gives us repentance and faith.

Only THEN (AFTER God has done this amazing, invisible, regenerative work by His holy Spirit) can a man then turn from sin and believe the message of the cross.

Any other view of salvation give ME a % of the event, and then it is a work and no longer grace. Feel so sad for brethren here who have to elevate themselves by their works to somehow "help" God out. :( :(

Please read what Jonah 3.10 says in the KJV and if possible in the Hebrew. It is very clear that God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their wicked ways, which is true repentance. It is no merit but obeying what God Justly Demands
 

37818

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I do not believe that verse 13 refers to the "children of God", but to the Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ. The reading from the singular, "ἐγεννήθη", to the plural ἐγεννήθησαν, is an early corruption
You are very wrong here.
All text types support ἐγεννήθησαν to be the original reading. [NA does note a variant for that ἐγεννήθησαν reading. But uses ἐγεννήθησαν.]
 

SavedByGrace

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You are very wrong here.
All text types support ἐγεννήθησαν to be the original reading. [NA does note a variant for that ἐγεννήθησαν reading. But uses ἐγεννήθησαν.]

I am not hung up on the evidence of greek mss, the church fathers who are earlier, read the singular!
 

SavedByGrace

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John 5:39-40

"You search the Scriptures, because you suppose that in them you will find the Life of the Ages; and it is those Scriptures that yield testimony concerning me; and yet you are unwilling to come to me that you may have Life."

Luke 13:2-5

"Jesus answered them, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way. Or those eighteen, on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them; do you think that they were worse offenders than all the men who dwell in Jerusalem? I tell you, no, but, unless you repent, you will all perish in the same way.”

Acts 7:51

“You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so you do"

Acts 13:46

"Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly, and said, “It was necessary that God’s word should be spoken to you first. Since indeed you reject it from yourselves, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles"

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

and with all deception of wickedness for those who are being lost, because they didn’t receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Because of this, God sends them a working of error, that they should believe a lie; that they all might be judged who didn’t believe the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness"

1 Thessalonians 1:9-10

"For they themselves report concerning us what kind of a reception we had from you, and how you turned to God from idols, to serve a living and true God, and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead: Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come"

All of these passages show that ALL sinners have been given a FREE WILL, to either ACCEPT or REJECT, the Gospel Message

When Jesus says, in Matthew 20:16, "So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen"

The Greek κλητός, also has the meaning of INVITED. An INVITATION means that it can be either ACCEPTED or REJECTED. The Wedding Feast in Matthew 22, clearly shows that the Gospel Message is an INVITATION, which some REJECTED. In verse 14, Jesus again says, "For many are called, but few chosen"

No monergism in these passages!

Much of Calvinism is here at odds with the Infallible Word of God!
 

timdabap

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read your Bible again. it sure IS!

Unless you think that God does the repenting and believing for the sinner?
No, but He sure did the living for the elect sinners who can't live the life they should live under or without the law, and then, as perfect as that life was, He took the sinner's sins onto Himself, and offered Himself to the Father as the sinner's substitute on the cross. Now, if that ain't love, I don't know what it is. Do you ?
 
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