Moore's accusers are lying!

[AwesomeMachine]

Roy Moore is such a threat to Satan that Satan is stirring up leftist women to lie about Moore. There's no evidence to prove Moore did anything wrong. Women lie about that stuff all the time. Isn't it about time we just learn to ignore it?

 

[JohnDeereFan]

There's no evidence to prove Moore did anything wrong. Women lie about that stuff all the time. Isn't it about time we just learn to ignore it?

No, it isn't time we learn to ignore it. If somebody says they were assaulted, then we should take them seriously and examine the evidence, not just ignore them because somebody may have lied in the past.

As for Chief Justice Moore, it's pretty clear that these claims against him don't stand up to scrutiny, but that doesn't mean they're not serious.

So far, we have two felons, a drug addict, a Hillary Clinton operative, a forged document, and a claim that's been debunked by the security director of the mall where it allegedly took place.

As I've pointed out before, this is no different than the Steve Windom case.

 

[Reynolds]

No, it isn't time we learn to ignore it. If somebody says they were assaulted, then we should take them seriously and examine the evidence, not just ignore them because somebody may have lied in the past.

As for Chief Justice Moore, it's pretty clear that these claims against him don't stand up to scrutiny, but that doesn't mean they're not serious.

So far, we have two felons, a drug addict, a Hillary Clinton operative, a forged document, and a claim that's been debunked by the security director of the mall where it allegedly took place.

As I've pointed out before, this is no different than the Steve Windom case.

We should ignore them.

 

[annsni]

We SHOULDN'T ignore accusations of sexual impropriety and honestly, I'm not sure that they are all lies. We are seeing a MASSIVE revealing of just how evil men's hearts are (and women's) and while I don't doubt there will be many false accusations, I believe many are true as well. Having been a woman in business, I can tell you that it is absolutely out there and it is sad.

 

[Revmitchell]

I do not know if Moore did it or not. I have serious doubts as this appears to be a political smear campaign. The timing of it alone is suspect.

 

[AwesomeMachine]

Well, then women give themselves a bad name. So many women use lies of sexual impropriety as a weapon to control men, that we can't believe any of them, unless they can provide physical evidence. That's it. End of story. I mean, people can feel sorry for the women. But until women stop lying as a means to an end, it can't be taken too seriously, no matter how serious it could be, without evidence to prove it.

A woman's verbal testimony involving a man's sexual misconduct, devoid of physical evidence, should be ignored. That's the only way women will learn to stop lying. If they keep getting what they want, they'll never stop lying!

And I think the main problem is single women in the workplace who aren't looking for a husband. If your a woman in the workplace, you should either be married and modestly dressed without cosmetics, or you should be looking for a husband. If a woman dresses immodestly and wears cosmetics, what does she expect?

She comes to work looking like a prostitute! Of course guys are going to grab her! Women are asking for it! There's easy ways to avoid the attention. I had surgery last year. I had a home nurse come every day to take care of me for five months. Never once did any of those attractive young women wear a single stitch of cosmetics or show any excess skin, because they wanted to do their jobs, not be hit on!

Women are treated with the same respect they give to themselves. If a woman is unchaste, she'll be treated like a slut. If she dresses inappropriately, same deal. So, if women stop fornicating, they'll be treated better. If any woman is harassed, all she has to do is say, "I'm sorry, I won't permit intimate contact outside the bonds of sacramental matrimony. Every guy will respect that.

It used to be implied, but today so many women fornicate that the opposite is assumed. Again, women give themselves a bad name. Then they blame men for being masculine. Rubbish!

 

[annsni]

Well, then women give themselves a bad name. So many women use lies of sexual impropriety as a weapon to control men, that we can't believe any of them, unless they can provide physical evidence. That's it. End of story. I mean, people can feel sorry for the women. But until women stop lying as a means to an end, it can't be taken too seriously, no matter how serious it could be, without evidence to prove it.

A woman's verbal testimony involving a man's sexual misconduct, devoid of physical evidence, should be ignored. That's the only way women will learn to stop lying. If they keep getting what they want, they'll never stop lying!

And I think the main problem is single women in the workplace who aren't looking for a husband. If your a woman in the workplace, you should either be married and modestly dressed without cosmetics, or you should be looking for a husband. If a woman dresses immodestly and wears cosmetics, what does she expect?

She comes to work looking like a prostitute! Of course guys are going to grab her! Women are asking for it! There's easy ways to avoid the attention. I had surgery last year. I had a home nurse come every day to take care of me for five months. Never once did any of those attractive young women wear a single stitch of cosmetics or show any excess skin, because they wanted to do their jobs, not be hit on!

Women are treated with the same respect they give to themselves. If a woman is unchaste, she'll be treated like a slut. If she dresses inappropriately, same deal. So, if women stop fornicating, they'll be treated better. If any woman is harassed, all she has to do is say, "I'm sorry, I won't permit intimate contact outside the bonds of sacramental matrimony. Every guy will respect that.

It used to be implied, but today so many women fornicate that the opposite is assumed. Again, women give themselves a bad name. Then they blame men for being masculine. Rubbish!

All I can say is "wow". You are obviously not a woman and obviously have NO clue about reality. I've been in my barn clothes (loose jeans with stains on them, boots, t-shirt and then hoodie on top, hair up in a bun, no make up on except maybe a bit of dirt on my cheek and hay in my hair) and I've still had guys say awful things to me and hit on me.

It is NOT just a woman's fault. SO many men are pigs. And evidence? What physical evidence do you want when a man grabs a woman's breast and tells her he wants her to do things to him that are not spoken of in public? Unless she has a video and audio, there is no evidence. So does that mean she was not sexually harassed? We are not just talking rape here but sexual innuendos, physical touching, crude jokes, etc. as well.

To be honest, I'm glad that most men are not like you "awesomemachine" (whose name can also be taken as a sexual innuendo). You are a shame to the male species.

 

[InTheLight]

She comes to work looking like a prostitute! Of course guys are going to grab her! Women are asking for it!

We see your true colors coming through. Pathetic.

Victim blaming and slut shaming.

It's like this--"But officer, those brand new shiny cell phones were on display right there in the window, practically touching the window. The store owner was just begging to have them stolen. Sure I broke the window and stole them. They were asking for it!"

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[Use of Time]

All I can say is "wow". You are obviously not a woman and obviously have NO clue about reality. I've been in my barn clothes (loose jeans with stains on them, boots, t-shirt and then hoodie on top, hair up in a bun, no make up on except maybe a bit of dirt on my cheek and hay in my hair) and I've still had guys say awful things to me and hit on me.

It is NOT just a woman's fault. SO many men are pigs. And evidence? What physical evidence do you want when a man grabs a woman's breast and tells her he wants her to do things to him that are not spoken of in public? Unless she has a video and audio, there is no evidence. So does that mean she was not sexually harassed? We are not just talking rape here but sexual innuendos, physical touching, crude jokes, etc. as well.

To be honest, I'm glad that most men are not like you "awesomemachine" (whose name can also be taken as a sexual innuendo). You are a shame to the male species.

Well said Annsi. It’s also typical to watch the rest of this board let his comment sit there like that unchallenged. A lot of naval gazing or looking the other way because politics takes precedent over EVERYTHING.

 

[Reynolds]

We see your true colors coming through. Pathetic.

Victim blaming and slut shaming.

It's like this--"But officer, those brand new shiny cell phones were on display right there in the window, practically touching the window. The store owner was just begging to have them stolen. Sure I broke the window and stole them. They were asking for it!"

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I look back to the wisdom of my deceased grandmother. She said "you go out advertising, don't be surprised when someone trys to buy. Look like a whore, might get treated like one." She told my female cousins that regularly.

 

[TCassidy]

I will certainly say that some women need to learn how to dress. Immodest dress is a shame to a woman. As my dad used to say, "You don't advertise your product unless it is for sale." I agree.

However, how I respond to that immodest dress is entirely on me! If I behave imprudently it is not the woman's fault. It is my fault for not allowing the indwelling Holy Spirit of God to control my response.

I am a man in my 70s, and I still can look at a woman and admire her comeliness, her grace, her grooming, her attire. But that is ALL I can do! Admiration cannot be allowed to morph into lust, and lust cannot be allowed to morph into action.

The best thing a man can do in that situation is turn and walk away. And while walking quote David's Psalm of repentance.

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

 

[Reynolds]

I will certainly say that some women need to learn how to dress. Immodest dress is a shame to a woman. As my dad used to say, "You don't advertise your product unless it is for sale." I agree.

However, how I respond to that immodest dress is entirely on me! If I behave imprudently it is not the woman's fault. It is my fault for not allowing the indwelling Holy Spirit of God to control my response.

I am a man in my 70s, and I still can look at a woman and admire her comeliness, her grace, her grooming, her attire. But that is ALL I can do! Admiration cannot be allowed to morph into lust, and lust cannot be allowed to morph into action.

The best thing a man can do in that situation is turn and walk away. And while walking quote David's Psalm of repentance.

Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.

Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.

For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.

Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.

Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.

Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.

Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.

Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.

Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.

I agree. How I act and how I know a Godless world acts is different. I was at one time backslidden right in that world. When I was younger and a competitive weight lifter It was rare for me to go anywhere and not get hit on by women. When I did the bar scene, I couldn't sit down 5 minutes without some chick sitting in my lap, wearing my hat, and rubbing on different parts of my body. Hey, you dress in painted on jeans, get half drunk around women who are half drunk and what do you expect?
One reason I fell in love with my wife is she is one of the few women that never hit on me. I pursued her.

 

[InTheLight]

I look back to the wisdom of my deceased grandmother. She said "you go out advertising, don't be surprised when someone trys to buy. Look like a whore, might get treated like one." She told my female cousins that regularly.

And what does a whore dress like? Seriously, what?

Dress codes have radically changed. It's commonplace to see women in their 20's wearing short shorts, plunging necklines, bare midriffs, no bras, etc. The guys growing up in this culture have seen it all their lives, they are used to seeing it. Doesn't even faze them. If the majority of women dress in this manner, you can't say they are dressing like whores.

Again, what do whores wear?

 

[TCassidy]

Doesn't even faze them.

You are living in a fantasy world. The present teen birthrate is around 25/1000. Thankfully that is down from a high of 61/1000 in 1990. But what makes this statistic really sad is that 89% of those births are out of wedlock. There is a reason for that.

I have three teen-aged grandsons. Believe me. It affects them. They are fine Christian young men, but they refuse to go to some places their friends go to because of how the girls will be dressed.

 

[InTheLight]

You are living in a fantasy world. The present teen birthrate is around 25/1000. Thankfully that is down from a high of 61/1000 in 1990. But what makes this statistic really sad is that 89% of those births are out of wedlock. There is a reason for that.

You are (apparently) arguing that the type of clothing that is worn by young ladies affects the teenage birth rate. Prove it.

And I am the one living in a fantasy world?

I have three teen-aged grandsons. Believe me. It affects them. They are fine Christian young men, but they refuse to go to some places their friends go to because of how the girls will be dressed.

Your grandsons come up to you and say things like, "Grandpa, the girls my age dress so sexy and provocative I just can't stand it." Really?

 

[TCassidy]

Your grandsons come up to you and say things like, "Grandpa, the girls my age dress so sexy and provocative I just can't stand it." Really?

No, they tell their parents they don't want to go with their friends to certain places/activities. When asked they tell them.

Our daughter and son-in-law have been very open with their boys making sure they are comfortable talking about what some consider "forbidden" subjects.

Our daughter and son-in-law then tell us of how proud they are of their boys and share with us why they are proud.

Do you have children and grandchildren? And do you communicate with them regularly? I don't consider our situation to be unique. I know many parents and grandparents who have equally open lines of communication with their kids/grandkids.

 

[Reynolds]

And what does a whore dress like? Seriously, what?

Dress codes have radically changed. It's commonplace to see women in their 20's wearing short shorts, plunging necklines, bare midriffs, no bras, etc. The guys growing up in this culture have seen it all their lives, they are used to seeing it. Doesn't even faze them. If the majority of women dress in this manner, you can't say they are dressing like whores.

Again, what do whores wear?

Sounds to me like you just described whores.

 

[InTheLight]

Do you have children and grandchildren? And do you communicate with them regularly?

Yep, two sons. Twenty and seventeen years old. Yes, I communicate with them regarding this stuff. They don't seem too much bothered with current fashions on girls. They say that some girls wear especially provocative clothing because they are seeking attention or are being rebellious, not that they are necessarily loose. Again, when the current fashions are worn by the majority of girls, you get inured to seeing it. Us old folks aren't used to it, though.

 

[InTheLight]

Sounds to me like you just described whores.

Just described what about 80% of teenage girls wear. Are they all whores?

 

[TCassidy]

Again, when the current fashions are worn by the majority of girls, you get inured to seeing it.

Anyone who becomes inured to immodesty has a bigger problem then just girls' wardrobes.