Magnetic Poles
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Okay, so you don't like the left---you don't like the right. You don't like anything in between (maybe I dunno, tell me). If you could make THREE major changes to the government only to fix the problems, please be specific and make the list and tell us what you would do. THis is not really for debate---just trying to understand what you would LIKE in place.Originally posted by poncho:
I really don't see what the big fuss here is all about now. This spying on citizens business was made public years ago, ESHELON, Project Shamrock and Minaret, Canivore, cointelpro etc. From the reaction here you'd think this was all some kind of new news or something.
This is how it works, if the government wants to do something illegal or unethical to us they just do it, then they anounce it later with some spin, (we only wanna protect you from the ____, it's for your own good or whatever) then they have a big theatrical lefty vs righty debate in the media and congress then they make it legal.
I agree MP. What the government is doing is illegal. There are people that seem to feel this is not that big of an issue to them. All I have to say is that it's unfortunate that people don't learn from history.Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Carpro, of course AT&T has a database of their calls. They have to in order to render invoices. But that doesn't mean that they should hand it over to the Government. You make enjoy and America that spies on its citizens without reasonable cause. I maintain that is unAmerican activity and counter to the fourth amendment.
Okay, so you don't like the left---you don't like the right. You don't like anything in between (maybe I dunno, tell me). If you could make THREE major changes to the government only to fix the problems, please be specific and make the list and tell us what you would do. THis is not really for debate---just trying to understand what you would LIKE in place.Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by poncho:
I really don't see what the big fuss here is all about now. This spying on citizens business was made public years ago, ESHELON, Project Shamrock and Minaret, Canivore, cointelpro etc. From the reaction here you'd think this was all some kind of new news or something.
This is how it works, if the government wants to do something illegal or unethical to us they just do it, then they anounce it later with some spin, (we only wanna protect you from the ____, it's for your own good or whatever) then they have a big theatrical lefty vs righty debate in the media and congress then they make it legal.
Okay, so you don't like the left---you don't like the right. You don't like anything in between (maybe I dunno, tell me). If you could make THREE major changes to the government only to fix the problems, please be specific and make the list and tell us what you would do. THis is not really for debate---just trying to understand what you would LIKE in place.Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by poncho:
I really don't see what the big fuss here is all about now. This spying on citizens business was made public years ago, ESHELON, Project Shamrock and Minaret, Canivore, cointelpro etc. From the reaction here you'd think this was all some kind of new news or something.
This is how it works, if the government wants to do something illegal or unethical to us they just do it, then they anounce it later with some spin, (we only wanna protect you from the ____, it's for your own good or whatever) then they have a big theatrical lefty vs righty debate in the media and congress then they make it legal.
Okay, so you don't like the left---you don't like the right. You don't like anything in between (maybe I dunno, tell me). If you could make THREE major changes to the government only to fix the problems, please be specific and make the list and tell us what you would do. THis is not really for debate---just trying to understand what you would LIKE in place.Originally posted by emeraldctyangel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Phillip:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by poncho:
I really don't see what the big fuss here is all about now. This spying on citizens business was made public years ago, ESHELON, Project Shamrock and Minaret, Canivore, cointelpro etc. From the reaction here you'd think this was all some kind of new news or something.
This is how it works, if the government wants to do something illegal or unethical to us they just do it, then they anounce it later with some spin, (we only wanna protect you from the ____, it's for your own good or whatever) then they have a big theatrical lefty vs righty debate in the media and congress then they make it legal.
I agree MP. What the government is doing is illegal. There are people that seem to feel this is not that big of an issue to them. All I have to say is that it's unfortunate that people don't learn from history. </font>[/QUOTE]The sky is always falling somewhere and to some people.Originally posted by kubel:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
Carpro, of course AT&T has a database of their calls. They have to in order to render invoices. But that doesn't mean that they should hand it over to the Government. You make enjoy and America that spies on its citizens without reasonable cause. I maintain that is unAmerican activity and counter to the fourth amendment.
Check with 100 electrical engineers. AllOriginally posted by KenH:
I guess if Al Qaeda wants to cause people some problems on a widespread basis all they have to do is to randomly call Americans. Then the government will waste its time going after innocent citizens and making their lives miserable.
You are wrong.Originally posted by KenH:
This is an unconstitutional activity and if engaging in it eventually brings down the Bush administration through impeachment by the Left Wing of the Demopublican Party winning control of the Congress this November, then so be it.
No, you are wrong.Originally posted by carpro:
You are wrong.
No, you are wrong. </font>[/QUOTE]Prove it.Originally posted by KenH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by carpro:
You are wrong.