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I am not screaming. My argument is this: More about Jesus, less about
beer. That is what this world needs.


Again, done with this thread. I stopped posting in your other myriad of
beer promos.

 

Have you been drinking?

 

The quoted post reads like it was composed by someone who has been drinking.

 

The anger and aggressiveness expressed in your post makes one wonder if you have. That, and that you avoid answering the question.

Suit yourself.

 

My point:

You seem to be angry and looking for a fight with your recent threads about alcohol, to the point that one wonders what's behind it.

 

I will admit that I have no use for alcohol, seen to much bad from it. I will also say two men I know have a glass of scotch each day before supper and one after supper, and they are fine Christian men.
A small sampler of why I don't care for drink;
3 wrecks in my front yard, one had a death, one the driver lost his leg and the other just messed up the car and my yard.
I have lost 2 family members due to being hit by a DWI driver.
I had a DWI driver kill her self by hitting my trailer while I was parked.
Over the last 10 years I have seen two pastors, 5 youth pastors and 5 ministers of music get DWI's down here. That isn't a good picture of the church.
But with that said, I believe for you to drink or not is your call not mine and not to drink would be like wise.

 

So let me get this straight....you believe that by starting threads on a forum on the internet you are "fighting against phariseeism?" :laugh:

How is that working for ya?

Are you done yet? :laugh:

 

I have never heard any preacher say that you are VERY LIKELY to become an alcoholic if you take one drink. I have heard many times that the person that takes their first drink never think they will become an alcoholic.

So....
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Also, considering the outcomes of what alcoholism does to people, a 10% rate of alcoholism is edging into the dangerous area. I say this as a moderate drinker. Your arguments aren't convincing. Please stop it, I don't want you on my side of this issue.

 

Have you considered purchasing a mirror?

 

That fact many people drink on a regular basis does not logically support the reasoning in an argument that it is not harmful or should be used.

The stating from the Op that 95% do not become “alcoholics” is being based on a biased ambiguous term and does not logically support the reasoning in an argument that it is not harmful or should be used.

If one can’t “easily” stop drinking starting tomorrow and cannot continue to not drink comfortably for an extended amount of time and be able live without becoming emotionally stressed because of this action then there is significant merit to that they are indeed struggling at a level of addiction to alcohol that would fit my definition of one being an alcoholic.

Out of the many people that I could observe and recognize as having the stereotypical characteristics of a regular drinker before any word about alcohol is mentioned I would guess that less than 5% would consider themselves an alcoholic. Again:

My religious belief does not advocate that one should not drink at all. But my values which come from religious beliefs do often separate my definition from others when it comes to defining “moderate” use of alcohol because of the obvious influences on one’s nature, their spirit - their reasoning and judgment being altered and coming from this substance which, believe or not, I have come to recognize. What I would consider common sense is that alcohol is abused in the world at epidemic proportions and that is enough to speak out against and warn of its use.

I would not be pharisaical about warning others not to drink or dogmatic about the Bible saying it is a sin but even if someone else is preaching such it does not justify the use of alcohol in any way nor does such take away from that the obvious harmful, life altering effects should honestly be considered by every individual. Much more personal responsibility should be expected to come from a Christian in this matter, especially a leader of the flock in this area in that he has been practically informed and wanting to bring about and teach how to achieve the healthiest results rather than be motivated to be acting to condone his own ways or possible – and obviously probable shortcomings. I am very understanding that pastors are human like everyone else but I do expect them to strive for a higher standard and to try to present a good and reasonable example in how to achieve excellence.

 

For clarity's sake, I have two questions. First: Define phariseeism in your own words. Second: As pertains specifically to the subject of alcohol consumption, what is your standard for judgement to determine if someone is practicing phariseeism?