Perhaps this link will help folks understand that the Civil War was not started by a single event, but a series of aggressive acts and failed policy.
What started the Civil War.
What started the Civil War.
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Most Evil Person in American History
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Good link. Any event like the Civil War is brought about for a variety of reasons and not a single event.
OldRegular
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Good post agedman. But if Lincoln had allowed the Southern states to leave the Union there would have been no War. Virginia, Arkansas, North Carolina, and Tennessee did not secede until Lincoln called for troops. I am convinced that slavery would have died because of a multitude of problems and the Southern states would have rejoined the Union. Because of the War and the ill treatment of the South after the war the animosity toward the North was exacerbated and remained for many years!
The issue is that the southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.
1) Slavery as practiced in the south was cruel, sinful, and evil. God condemns treating others differently than we would want others to treat us and so slavery as practiced in the south is condemned by God.
Anyone who denies this is disconnected from reality.
2) If the hound had not stopped to smell the roses, he would have caught the rabbit. All these if/then arguments are nonsense.
BTW, if you look at the link provided, you will see that all of the events listed leading to the war concerned slavery.
1) Slavery as practiced in the south was cruel, sinful, and evil. God condemns treating others differently than we would want others to treat us and so slavery as practiced in the south is condemned by God.
Anyone who denies this is disconnected from reality.
2) If the hound had not stopped to smell the roses, he would have caught the rabbit. All these if/then arguments are nonsense.
a) Lincoln opposed the spread of slavery into the territories
b) Lincoln was elected President
c) The south seceded before Lincoln took office
d) The south fired on Fort Sumter, initiating the civil war.
b) Lincoln was elected President
c) The south seceded before Lincoln took office
d) The south fired on Fort Sumter, initiating the civil war.
BTW, if you look at the link provided, you will see that all of the events listed leading to the war concerned slavery.
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Perhaps the most evil are those who defend the most evil.
Just a thought.
Just a thought.
OldRegular
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So where does that leave you, Crabbie? You, Crabbie, defend those who do the most evil, slaughter more than 56 million unborn babies in the last 41 years!
OldRegular
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The issue is that the southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.
1) Slavery as practiced in the south was cruel, sinful, and evil. God condemns treating others differently than we would want others to treat us and so slavery as practiced in the south is condemned by God.
Anyone who denies this is disconnected from reality.
2) If the hound had not stopped to smell the roses, he would have caught the rabbit. All these if/then arguments are nonsense.
a) Lincoln opposed the spread of slavery into the territories
b) Lincoln was elected President
c) The south seceded before Lincoln took office
d) The south fired on Fort Sumter, initiating the civil war.
BTW, if you look at the link provided, you will see that all of the events listed leading to the war concerned slavery.
Van,
You can spew your mantra endlessly but it does not change the fact that Lincoln started the war, presumably to preserve the Union. Could be he just did not like Southerners!
OldRegular
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Old, when are you going to start being honest?
How often do I have to say I am against abortion?
You are against abortion, but pro capital punishment. So, you approve of death. I do not. You are only partly pro-life ... until they are born. But then you care nothing about taking care of those in need. You support death and misery and ill health.
Why do you defend the evil of killing others and in not helping others. To me that is evil.
OldRegular
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I have no respect for a liar. Apparently a lot of Americans have no respect for Obama the liar.
You are bearing false witness. You cannot say you are against abortion and still support the party of death, the democrats, and their chief executioner, Barak Hussein Obama.
You got that correct. Abortion has killed over 56 million unborn babies in this country since 1973 and it is people like you who have aided and abetted that slaughter.
I approve of capital punishment for those guilty of certain offenses, so does Scripture. It seems you are for killing the innocent and sparing the guilty.
That again is false. You vote for death each time you vote for the democrat party.
Unlike you I am pro-life for the innocent and unborn!
I am in favor of taking care of those in need. I just don't believe the government should take the money of the citizen, waste half of it and buy votes with the remainder!
Pathetic Crabbie. I accuse you of supporting abortion but I have with cause; you support the party of death, especially of the unborn child. Now if it were an unborn animal they would likely provide protection.
Unlike you I am for life, liberty, and the pursuit of good health.
That is pathetic coming from a serial supporter of the slaughter of the unborn child. I held my first great granddaughter in my arms when she was just 12 hours old. A beautiful child and I set my love on her just as God set His love on me. I thought of people like you Crabbie and wondered how you could support the slaughter of innocent babies. Do you have children Crabbie. If so which one would you sacrifice on the alter of abortion.
Crabbie, you have no idea what I do personally. I am not a follower of Marxism like you and Obama and the democrat party.
All of the events listed in the link concerned slavery.
The south seceded over the issue of slavery as indicated in their secession statements. Thus when the south seceded and fired on Fort Sumter, they started the civil war.
The Confederate Vice President said slavery was the rock that broke the Union. Game, set and match.
The south seceded over the issue of slavery as indicated in their secession statements. Thus when the south seceded and fired on Fort Sumter, they started the civil war.
The Confederate Vice President said slavery was the rock that broke the Union. Game, set and match.
OldRegular
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1) The South seceded over the issue of slavery.
2) The South fired on Fort Sumter.
3) The southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.
4) Britain did not have a civil war over ending the slave trade, but brought it to an end without war. But in America, the cruel, sinful, and mean spirited leaders of the south, brought on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
2) The South fired on Fort Sumter.
3) The southern leaders who took us into war to preserve slavery rank among the most evil leaders in American history.
4) Britain did not have a civil war over ending the slave trade, but brought it to an end without war. But in America, the cruel, sinful, and mean spirited leaders of the south, brought on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Americans.
saturneptune
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This is a record number of responses for a thread I started.
OldRegular
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It was Lincoln who is responsible for the War of Northern Aggression that slaughtered ~800,000 people. It was Lincoln's General Sherman who raped the South in his march to the sea. Those are historical facts. Repeating your "mantra" on this Forum does no good. Perhaps if you assume the "lotus" position and go "umm", "umm", 'umm" and "umm", "umm", 'umm" it will clear your mind of your EVeil accusations.
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OldRegular
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You created it and then abandoned it! What excuse do you have?
And all over something stupid. As silly as it sounds some people believe when the post something on this board they have established a truth about something. So when their opinion is challenged they repost it over and over again until they are the last one to post their by winning the truth for the day. They need to get a life.
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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The Bible supports capital punishment within the Mosaic Law. You can argue about the viability of using that to support modern-day capital punishment, but you can never argue that abortion had any support whatsoever anywhere in the Bible. Therefore, your argument is spurious and suffers from the logical fallacy of division.
The fallacy of ad hominem.
Moral high ground fallacy. Invalid.
Straw man fallacy. He didn't say he was not pro-life, you have projected that onto him because he supports capital punishment, which you have attempted by a fallacy of division to inject falsely into the debate.
Another moral high ground fallacy, and also invalid.
Fallacy of context, and a straw man fallacy. Hard to combine. Congratulations. That may be the first time I've seen that.
His mother was heavily influenced by an anti-colonialist -- Barry's father, Barack Sr., who, like most anti-colonialists, tended toward extreme leftist -- Marxist -- ideals. Barack Jr. was heavily influenced by the mentor his maternal grandfather hand-picked for him, Frank Marshall Davis, a card-carrying member of the Communist Part of the United State of America. That led him to seek out others like Davis, when he went off to the mainland for his education -- men like Roberto Unger, a man too extreme for the Argentinian socialists, who kicked him out of the country after Unger left Harvard to go there to be part of the remaking of the country after Peron; like Palestinian radical Edward Said, who served on the terrorist organization the Palestinian National Council; like Bill Ayers, an admitted anarchist, socialist/Marxist who as a member of the Weatherman Underground bombed the Pentagon (in that respect he has much in common with Osama bin Laden), the U.S. Capitol, and the U.S. Department of State. These are the Ignoble Traitor's "buds," his "compadres," his mentors and teachers and idols.
He's a Marxist. No doubt about it. He started out as an anti-colonialist, but became a communist, and we've elected the scumbag to the highest office in the land. God help us all.
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OldRegular
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You are bearing false witness again Crabbie. The Republican Party has a lot of faults but it is not against helping those who need help. It may surprise you Crabbie but Republicans do have mothers and sisters. There are more rich democrats in Congress than there are rich Republicans. It is the rich bankers at Goldman Sachs who support the democrat party. And then there is the one worlder Marxist George Soros, the deep pockets of the democrat party. Republicans are against bankrupting the country helping people who are too lazy to work. I would point out some Scripture I am sure you reject Crabbie:
2 Thessalonians 3:10. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
1 Timothy 5:8. But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
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Actions speak louder than words Crabbie. You vote for the Party-of-Death, the democrat party, and the Abortionist-in-Chief, Barak Hussein Obama!
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Crabbie your rationale is like that of a small child. Repeating the endless mantra that you are pro-life does not make it so. I expect many on this Forum understand where your sympathies lie. If you are pro-life then vote pro-life!
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[Crabbie, I was raised in the Virginia coal fields during the Roosevelt Depression. My family was Republican and pro UMW. I know what it is like to be poor but my Father worked. Most of the so-called poor today live like rich folks compared to the poor during the Roosevelt Depression.]
The difference Crabbie is that you are bearing false witness, I am not. In the 22 years from 1973 until the Republicans took over the House in 1995 there was not a single piece of legislation restricting abortion that passed in the House. When the Republicans took over the House and Senate they twice passed a lay eliminating the Partial Birth Abortion Procedure. {That is where they pull a baby out of the womb feet first and suction out its brains.} The then Abortionist-in-Chief Bill Clinton vetoed the bill twice. After Bush was elected president Congress again passed the bill and Bush signed it into law.
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Innocent on death row you say, Innocent on death row? It is people like you Crabbie who have defended the Police killer in Pennsylvania, finally getting the death sentence of this murderer thrown out. You put yourself in the same class as the hollywood elites. I have no problem with the execution of those who are guilty of capital murder and I believe those who slaughter unborn children are guilty of mass murder. You put yourself in the position of supporting the evil deeds of the abortionist in Pennsylvania, Gosnell, who was recently convicted. The liberal left press that mimics the attitude of people like you refused to cover the trial, not wanting to put a bad light on the atrocity of abortion.
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Crabbie did you not read the above statement I made? Shall I repeat it? I am in favor of taking care of those in need. I just don't believe the government should take the money of the citizen, waste half of it and buy votes with the remainder!
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I understand enough about Marxism to understand that Obama is a Marxist, and an admitted Marxist. I understand that the core leadership of the democrat party is Marxist!
Proverbs 6:16-19
16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
The only blood more innocent than that of the unborn child is that of Jesus Christ.
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