Music (oh man its about to go down)

[Gorship]

:laugh:

ok this may just get pretty fired up like the ol Calv/Baptist debates.

maybe not though, anyway.

This is for you Super Big B Baptist Born, Baptist Bred, and when you die you'll be Baptist Dead. Kinda guys.

All things aside, this is a genuine question for myself.

Music:

I hear all the time that "rock is of the devil", and I do get the association with secular bands. I will even grant you the chuckles and scoffs at the first thought of Christian Rock/metal (Watched a video of Tony Hutson going off on christian rock, it was pretty amazing, even being a christian metal guy myself.) However, I earnestly ask you this question:

Could you provide me with your proof text that my music is sinful?
Could you provide me with your reasoning as to why rock music is bad?
I have heard some crazy weird things like "syncopation (Music term for those who don't know) is of the devil", could you qualify this? Syncopation is in classical music even.

I also give you 2 things

1) the Rock/metal scene does have a look to it from the secular end and some Christian bands buy into it too (the dark themes etc)
2) just as in anything a lot of bands claim to be "Christian" but make music that you cant distinguish from van halen/Dimmu borgir - so like anything you need to wade through all that.

But i would love to have this conversation. In love and respect and with all the openness I can give you, and I hope that gets reciprocated :love2::wavey:

 

[Alive in Christ]

There is nothing at all wrong with ANY kind of music, if it is being played for the glory of God and the edification of the listeners.

we do not have to "like" all of it, as we all have personal likes and dislikes. But if it is being done for God....it is cool.

Example: I "personally" (((DESPISE))) Rap music. It is literally unlistenable to me. But I am glad these christian rappers are doing what the do, because people are coming to Christ and being saved.

Thank you Lord

 

[Don]

:laugh:

ok this may just get pretty fired up like the ol Calv/Baptist debates.

maybe not though, anyway.

This is for you Super Big B Baptist Born, Baptist Bred, and when you die you'll be Baptist Dead. Kinda guys.

All things aside, this is a genuine question for myself.

Music:

I hear all the time that "rock is of the devil", and I do get the association with secular bands. I will even grant you the chuckles and scoffs at the first thought of Christian Rock/metal (Watched a video of Tony Hutson going off on christian rock, it was pretty amazing, even being a christian metal guy myself.) However, I earnestly ask you this question:

Could you provide me with your proof text that my music is sinful?
Could you provide me with your reasoning as to why rock music is bad?
I have heard some crazy weird things like "syncopation (Music term for those who don't know) is of the devil", could you qualify this? Syncopation is in classical music even.

I also give you 2 things

1) the Rock/metal scene does have a look to it from the secular end and some Christian bands buy into it too (the dark themes etc)
2) just as in anything a lot of bands claim to be "Christian" but make music that you cant distinguish from van halen/Dimmu borgir - so like anything you need to wade through all that.

But i would love to have this conversation. In love and respect and with all the openness I can give you, and I hope that gets reciprocated :love2::wavey:

How about: What does it say? For example, Billy Joel's "It's Still Rock and Roll to Me" is catchy, and arguably pretty neutral about what it says; while his song "Only the Good Die Young" encourages a young girl to give up her virginity, and "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners are much more fun."

 

[JohnDeereFan]

:laugh:

ok this may just get pretty fired up like the ol Calv/Baptist debates.

maybe not though, anyway.

This is for you Super Big B Baptist Born, Baptist Bred, and when you die you'll be Baptist Dead. Kinda guys.

All things aside, this is a genuine question for myself.

Music:

I hear all the time that "rock is of the devil", and I do get the association with secular bands. I will even grant you the chuckles and scoffs at the first thought of Christian Rock/metal (Watched a video of Tony Hutson going off on christian rock, it was pretty amazing, even being a christian metal guy myself.) However, I earnestly ask you this question:

Could you provide me with your proof text that my music is sinful?
Could you provide me with your reasoning as to why rock music is bad?
I have heard some crazy weird things like "syncopation (Music term for those who don't know) is of the devil", could you qualify this? Syncopation is in classical music even.

I also give you 2 things

1) the Rock/metal scene does have a look to it from the secular end and some Christian bands buy into it too (the dark themes etc)
2) just as in anything a lot of bands claim to be "Christian" but make music that you cant distinguish from van halen/Dimmu borgir - so like anything you need to wade through all that.

But i would love to have this conversation. In love and respect and with all the openness I can give you, and I hope that gets reciprocated :love2::wavey:

You're asking the wrong guy. About 99 % of the music I listen to is that evil old secular music.

For instance, right now, I'm listening to Gary P. Nunn and Jesse Winchester and The Tennessee Mafia Jug Band.

That's Satanic music if ever I heard it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Anyone here like 'The Doors'?

 

[Alive in Christ]

John deere fan...

You're asking the wrong guy. About 99 % of the music I listen to is that evil old secular music.

For instance, right now, I'm listening to Gary P. Nunn and Jesse Winchester and The Tennessee Mafia Jug Band.

That's Satanic music if ever I heard it

Goodness, that sounds great!! My banjo is sitting right next to me..I wish I could join in!

 

[Alive in Christ]

Anyone here like 'The Doors'?

They were one of my favorites back in my hippie days, but I have completlly lost track. Wouldn,t be surprised if they are all dead. I know Morrison is.

 

[preacher4truth]

They were one of my favorites back in my hippie days, but I have completlly lost track. Wouldn,t be surprised if they are all dead. I know Morrison is.

Cool. You should google or youtube their intent in their music and its source. Self discovery will serve you well here and may enlighten you.

I've never enjoyed them btw.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Preacher4truth...

Cool. You should google or youtube their intent in their music and its source. Self discovery will serve you well here and may enlighten you.

That would be very doughtfull.

But if they are playing music for Jesus now that would be great.:thumbs:

 

[preacher4truth]

Preacher4truth...



That would be very doughtfull <sic>.

But if they are playing music for Jesus now that would be great.:thumbs:

Do you mean doubtful?

Yes, it is highly doubtful you will employ self discovery. I agree.

They've expressed their intent in their songs and music and it is far from reflecting God. It's highly 'doubtful' they would ever play music for Jesus.

Don't look it up, remain in ignorance. It's better for some to pretend and not find out the truth so they can remain 'right' in their own minds. :thumbsup:

 

[quantumfaith]

You're asking the wrong guy. About 99 % of the music I listen to is that evil old secular music.

For instance, right now, I'm listening to Gary P. Nunn and Jesse Winchester and The Tennessee Mafia Jug Band.

That's Satanic music if ever I heard it.

Especially if you play it backwards.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Preacher 4 truth...You posted...


Yes, it is highly doubtful you will employ self discovery. I agree.

They've expressed their intent in their songs and music and it is far from reflecting God. It's highly 'doubtful' they would ever play music for Jesus.

Don't look it up, remain in ignorance. It's better for some to pretend and not find out the truth so they can remain 'right' in their own
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My responce is...You are posting as if you are "smoking" somthing.

I,m done. cya....

 

[quantumfaith]

Here are some selections from some of my favorites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il-bJjeiOhY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlTzH9xkXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOeLa2Qefa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ec6xT9ixGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_GNVWAo1pY

 

[awaken]

:laugh:

ok this may just get pretty fired up like the ol Calv/Baptist debates.

maybe not though, anyway.

This is for you Super Big B Baptist Born, Baptist Bred, and when you die you'll be Baptist Dead. Kinda guys.

All things aside, this is a genuine question for myself.

Music:

I hear all the time that "rock is of the devil", and I do get the association with secular bands. I will even grant you the chuckles and scoffs at the first thought of Christian Rock/metal (Watched a video of Tony Hutson going off on christian rock, it was pretty amazing, even being a christian metal guy myself.) However, I earnestly ask you this question:

Could you provide me with your proof text that my music is sinful?
Could you provide me with your reasoning as to why rock music is bad?
I have heard some crazy weird things like "syncopation (Music term for those who don't know) is of the devil", could you qualify this? Syncopation is in classical music even.

I also give you 2 things

1) the Rock/metal scene does have a look to it from the secular end and some Christian bands buy into it too (the dark themes etc)
2) just as in anything a lot of bands claim to be "Christian" but make music that you cant distinguish from van halen/Dimmu borgir - so like anything you need to wade through all that.

But i would love to have this conversation. In love and respect and with all the openness I can give you, and I hope that gets reciprocated :love2::wavey:

My personal feeling is that there's nothing demonic about modern Christian music in general. Certainly there might be Christian songs which have questionable lyrics, and there might be Christian recording artists who have questionable views or behaviors, and there are various types of music that some people don't enjoy, but I don't think it's valid to make the generalized statement that "contemporary Christian music is demonic."

 

[Gorship]

My personal feeling is that there's nothing demonic about modern Christian music in general. Certainly there might be Christian songs which have questionable lyrics, and there might be Christian recording artists who have questionable views or behaviors, and there are various types of music that some people don't enjoy, but I don't think it's valid to make the generalized statement that "contemporary Christian music is demonic."

Please note i dont agree with this guy, but i would like to submit the extreme position I hear a lot of the time

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils in America/CCM/ccm-exposed.htm

 

[preacher4truth]

Preacher 4 truth...You posted...


Yes, it is highly doubtful you will employ self discovery. I agree.

They've expressed their intent in their songs and music and it is far from reflecting God. It's highly 'doubtful' they would ever play music for Jesus.

Don't look it up, remain in ignorance. It's better for some to pretend and not find out the truth so they can remain 'right' in their own
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My responce <sic> is...<sic>You are posting as if you are "smoking somthing<sic>.

I,m<sic>done. cya<sic>....

Thanks for the accusation. Until you look up The Doors intent in their music you'll remain oblivious to history.

Morrison died knowing his intent. However, as one living you refuse to investigate it so you in your own mind can remain oblivious and ignorantly right. That is shameful.

:wavey:

 

[Gorship]

P4T. What would you say about Music then, Christian music that is, Do genres matter? if so why? Would definitely Value your input on this.

 

[preacher4truth]

P4T. What would you say about Music then, Christian music that is, Do genres matter? if so why? Would definitely Value your input on this.

To each his own IMO. I am not a fan of Southern Gospel. To me it is hokey and so predictable in lyrics that it is corny and flaky. But like I said to each his own in gospel music, CCM &c.

 

[Gorship]

To each his own IMO. I am not a fan of Southern Gospel. To me it is hokey and so predictable in lyrics that it is corny and flaky. But like I said to each his own in gospel music, CCM &c.

Do you know (or anyone for that matter) why people like the gentleman from Jesus-is-savior, or these Big Baptist churches hate the CCM so much? my pastor even has touches of it, we make jokes about it from time to time. Don't know the root of it.

 

[12strings]

1. It's not a new issue. Christians have argued about music for a long time. The following have all had those who oppose them in Christian History:
-Singing Harmony
-Singing polyphony
-Organs
-Any instruments
-Any songs that are not scriptures (ie, Hymns)
-Any recorded music at all
-Any music with an emphasis on beats 2 & 4

2. There has always been a spectrum of those who feel that we should be as different from the world as possible, and those who feel we should use whatever method the world will most recognize as a "hook" to attract people. (these are not the only 2 positions).

3. Many will use the verse: "Abstain from every form/appearance of evil." to say we should not do anything that might be percieved as worldy. However, even if you reject that the word is better translated form...The verse simply CANNOT MEAN: "Don't do anything that anybody anywhere might think looks like a sin." ...because that's impossible...Case in point: My previous pastor thought preachers should only preach in a suit, tie, and WHITE shirt.

4. You may not be able to figure out where the idea that guitars, drums, and back-beats make evil music, but the answer comes simply with a stalwart belief in the sufficiency of scripture...quite simply, that God gave us a large book that warns us of many sins...and it says absolutely nothing about forbidding certain types of music. I have no right to come up with more sins that God didn't see fit to speak of...Pants on women, using playing cards, preaching without a tie, playing a drum set, etc.

5. You should be patient with those who feel this way, and use wisdom if you are the one choosing music for your church. BUT, as I said above, I don't think the weaker brother principle means you can never do anything that anyone thinks is a sin, becuase frankly, some people have really wierd ideas about what is a sin.

6. Even a secular artist such as the Beatles or Jimmy Hendrix, when they write a beautiful song, or play a beautiful guitar solo, are expressing their creativity and the image of God, and can be appreciated as such. Wisdom must be used to determine what kinds of secular music you can listen to without soaking your mind with immoral messages from the lyrics.