Must you hear the gospel to be saved?

[Jacob_Elliott]

It's just 'terms', you are correct there; Primitive Baptist terms to make a distinction between that part of our salvation in which we are passive (redemption, regeneration), and that part in which we are active (belief and obedience to the gospel).

Examples:

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he the right to become
children of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. Jn 1

Those being 'gospel saved' in v 12 had already been 'eternally saved' ( v 13).

Blessed are they that hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Mt 5:6

'They that hunger and thirst' are alive already. This is why they're deemed to be fortunate; the Spirit has wrought within them already. 'Gospel salvation' fills their desire for righteousness.

... He that believeth hath eternal life. Jn 6:47

He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life;......Jn 3:36

.....He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life,...Jn5:24

These are alive (eternally saved) already BEFORE coming, BEFORE believing (gospel salvation).

.....If any one may not be born from above, he is not able to see the reign of God....If any one may not be born of water, and the Spirit, he is not able to enter into the reign of God.....It behoveth you to be born from above… he who is doing the truth doth come to the light, that his works may be manifested, that in God they are having been wrought; Jn 3:3,5,7,21 YLT

Before one can enter or even see the kingdom, or come to Christ (the two are synonymous in this discourse), one must FIRST be born from above.

But mind you, mark this, the text does not say that these WILL enter into the kingdom of God (gospel salvation), it just says that before one can enter into, or even see the kingdom, one must first be born from above (eternally saved). There are those as in the 'Exodus generation' who are disobedient and unbelieving, these will never know the 'ten thousand charms in the arms of our dear Saviour', the Sabbath rest of God.

God has already wrought (eternally saved) within all those that come to Christ (gospel saved).


Recommend essays:

Born Again: The Doctrine of Effectual Calling by Michael L Gowens

Temporal “Salvation” A Bogus or Biblical Concept? By Michael L. Gowens

Awesome! Thank you for the clarification, I'll have to take a while to digest this. Just off the top of my head though, and I think I agree with this much, what is the point of being gospel saved if you have already been saved?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Must you hear the gospel to be saved? Yes!

This is what he means by temporal ......You hear the gospel and boy it is a wonderful thing.....it gives you scripture & all the how to's & what for's & everything in between. Im personally studying the Sermon on the Mount and WOW it blows me away.....this is what God wants me to be....how instructive & how revolutionary. I can contemplate that forever. And I personally believe it to be the word of God written for our instruction; but in and of it self it does not cause regeneration. The Holy Spirit does that. The Holy Spirit comes down and kindles the pilot light in us. Where once was death and depravity is now life and righteousness. The Holy Spirit is like the wind—it comes and goes when and where it pleases. We can’t tell the wind when to start blowing, where to blow, when to stop, etc, and it is the same with the Holy Spirit. Jesus made this analogy Himself in John 3:8, “The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.”

Must you hear the gospel to go to heaven? No!

CORRECT again oh Biblical Wizard! :laugh: A sinner can contribute nothing to their own salvation---it is God's work from beginning to end. Sola Gratia, By Grace Alone. There are two examples I would like to expound upon.

1. JOHN NEWTON- Here is Wiki says:

"Amazing Grace" is John Newton's spiritual autobiography in verse.[5] He grew up with no particular religious alignment. He was pressed (involuntarily forced) into the Royal Navy and became involved in the Atlantic slave trade after his discharge. In 1748 a storm battered his vessel so severely that he prayed to God for mercy. He continued in the slave trade after this moment of conversion. In 1754 or 1755 he left seafaring altogether and began studying Christian theology. Ordained in the Church of England in 1764,

Now was Newton really saved? Says he continued in the slave trade even after his conversion. Would the Lordship Salvation people say he would truly be saved? Wonder what Johnny Mac would say?

2. Martin Luther---His friend & protege Philip Melanchthon argued with Luther that even if a sinner cannot contribute anything positive to his salvation, at least he did not resist God's grace when it comes. This "non-resistance" may seem like very a very small contribution, certainly too small to make much difference. However, Luther warned that this "very little" was actually more dangerous than the "very much" that the Pelagians demanded when they argued that man was wholly capable of meriting God's grace. What made it dangerous was the subtlety. After all, what was the harm in adding just a little bit of human effort to the work of God? But Luther recognized that this was tantamount to the error of Roman Catholicism, which insisted that the will of man is the decisive factor in salvation. (Taken from THE DOCTRINES OF GRACE by James M. Boice--Pgs 36 & 37)

 

[convicted1]

1 Cor. 1:21, Rom. 1:16, Eph. 1:13, weren't written just to fill up space on a page...

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

1 Cor. 1:21, Rom. 1:16, Eph. 1:13, weren't written just to fill up space on a page...

Then exegete them.

 

[convicted1]

Then exegete them.

They're self-explanatory. The gospel saves those who believe.

 

[Revmitchell]

If the admin is going to allow two salvations to be promoted by Calvinists then they need to go back and apologize to those Millennial Exclusionists they banned for the same thing. Otherwise they are engaged in a severe hypocrisy and contradiction.

 

[kyredneck]

Open that mouth remove all doubt Rev; you're a gem you are....

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They're self-explanatory. The gospel saves those who believe.

And.....so your saying that belief is not a sign of regeneration?

 

[percho]

Awesome! Thank you for the clarification, I'll have to take a while to digest this. Just off the top of my head though, and I think I agree with this much, what is the point of being gospel saved if you have already been saved?

Would not the gospel tell the manner by which salvation is wrought?

Example:

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, Hebrews 5:7,8 part of 9

Is that not the gospel?

What did it author? (wrought) ---- the balance of 9: he became the author of (the first cause thereof) eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

 

[convicted1]

And.....so your saying that belief is not a sign of regeneration?

Anything resembling "a fruit of the Spirit", is evidence of the effacious work of God. However, regeneration isn't conversion. Conversion happens via the gospel.

 

[percho]

They're self-explanatory. The gospel saves those who believe.

Saves the ones believing.

Would one have to be given the Spirit of Truth in order to believe?
Can one be a believer without having been given the Spirit of Truth?

What does the Spirit of Truth do for one?

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the faith.

 

[Jacob_Elliott]

Would not the gospel tell the manner by which salvation is wrought?

Example:

Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, Hebrews 5:7,8 part of 9

Is that not the gospel?

What did it author? (wrought) ---- the balance of 9: he became the author of (the first cause thereof) eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

True but I guess I meant what is the point of the great commission and all the verses emphasizing salvation after hearing (posted by Rev and earlier by myself)? Also you could or someone provide some verses showing or at least implying that we can be saved without hearing

 

[Jacob_Elliott]

Saves the ones believing.

Would one have to be given the Spirit of Truth in order to believe?
Can one be a believer without having been given the Spirit of Truth?

What does the Spirit of Truth do for one?

That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through the faith.

But why does the bible place such an emphasis on hearing before salvation?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Anything resembling "a fruit of the Spirit", is evidence of the effacious work of God. However, regeneration isn't conversion. Conversion happens via the gospel.

Explain conversion.

 

[convicted1]

Explain conversion.

Okay......

God comes to a sinner and quickens them to life, from the dead state they were once in. They then truly see how vile, how wicked, how revolting they are in His sight. They then seek after Him and His mercy. It takes the gospel to bring to light what they must do to be saved. God converts them by remitting their sins by them doing what Jesus Christ stated, "repent and believe the gospel"...

 

[kyredneck]

....what is the point of being gospel saved if you have already been saved?

Imagine all the bennies in life you have now from your Christianity, then imagine not having them. Would you really want to be that ignorant again?

But why does the bible place such an emphasis on hearing before salvation?

It’s by His design that the flock is fed by the primacy of the preaching.

 

[percho]

But why does the bible place such an emphasis on hearing before salvation?

Because it is the greatest news ever. Man who at one time was without hope now because the Christ, the Son of God, as of a lamb without spot and without blemish has been obedient unto death even the death of the cross, He has been given the promise of God. The hope of eternal life.

Because he has received (inherited) eternal life we now have that same hope.

Gal. 3:18-21
Rom 8:17
Rom 6:5
2 Tim 1:10
Heb 5:10

Christ was the heir, the recipient and we can be joint heirs with him.

Pretty good thing to be hearing about.

 

[kyredneck]

Good post percho. :thumbsup::thumbs:

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Because it is the greatest news ever. Man who at one time was without hope now because the Christ, the Son of God, as of a lamb without spot and without blemish has been obedient unto death even the death of the cross, He has been given the promise of God. The hope of eternal life.

Because he has received (inherited) eternal life we now have that same hope.

Gal. 3:18-21
Rom 8:17
Rom 6:5
2 Tim 1:10
Heb 5:10

Christ was the heir, the recipient and we can be joint heirs with him.

Pretty good thing to be hearing about.

Only if you can hear, only if you can see, only if you can comprehend. For those we cannot, what is there?

 

[convicted1]

Only if you can hear, only if you can see, only if you can comprehend. For those we cannot, what is there?

Listen, Brother EW&F to me for one minute, okay? God has a number of His elect that no man can #. He told Abram, before He changed his name to Abraham, that if he could # the stars, he could # His chosen, His elected people. These people were given to the Lamb, to redeem from amongst the accursed of the earth. Not one of them will ever die lost, but He will make sure that every single solitary one of them gets placed into the sheepfold, He being the Shepherd.

Rest in knowing that not one of His will die lost.