I actually thought that Matthew 28 stating the exact verbiage many baptist use (coupled with the fact that a baptist distinctive is the authority of Scripture) should have ended his ridiculous straw man argument.
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Good catch. You are like my reviewers......I don't know whether to hug you or punch you....but you are good at catching this stuff.
1689Dave
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The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century." Talk:Trinity/old1 - Wikipedia
1689Dave
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The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263: "The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the second century."Good catch. You are like my reviewers......I don't know whether to hug you or punch you....but you are good at catching this stuff.
Talk:Trinity/old1 - Wikipedia
Bad link.
@1689Dave,
Why do you hold the Ronan Catholic Church in such authority?
There is no evidence the RCC even existed in the second century. There is no ebidence Peter was the first Pope. These are things the RCC claims.
As Baptists most here will refute your allegiance to the Catholic authority. We (Baptists) look to Scripture - NOT Catholic councils, Creeds, or Encyclopedias as the standard of our faith and practice.
Scripture says to Baptize in "the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" and that the Disciples did indeed baptize in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You are the only person here rejecting Scripture in favor of Catholic dogma. But this is because you do not understand the passages in question (you hold to ritualistic incantations).
Why do you hold the Ronan Catholic Church in such authority?
There is no evidence the RCC even existed in the second century. There is no ebidence Peter was the first Pope. These are things the RCC claims.
As Baptists most here will refute your allegiance to the Catholic authority. We (Baptists) look to Scripture - NOT Catholic councils, Creeds, or Encyclopedias as the standard of our faith and practice.
Scripture says to Baptize in "the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit" and that the Disciples did indeed baptize in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You are the only person here rejecting Scripture in favor of Catholic dogma. But this is because you do not understand the passages in question (you hold to ritualistic incantations).
Well, that should have done it.
But since 1689Dave kept clinging and quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia, actually reading it destroys his argument.
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1689Dave
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It remains not finding something does not prove it doesn't exist. It could mean many different things. I'm going to do a search and get back with you.
1689Dave
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The 1689 London Confession states Baptists MUST baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit.
If you cannot find that it does not mean it does not exist.
1689Dave
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Baptism as the Catholics do? It's baptism as the Apostles taught.The 1689 London Confession states Baptists MUST baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit.
If you cannot find that it does not mean it does not exist.
Wow. Thank you for this link.
This is certainly a scholarly source... I do not know how it escaped my notice.
Baptists do not baptize as the Catholics do. You are the only person accepting RCC as an authority.
Baptists affirm believers baptism and take their lead from Scripture (from the Bible).
Jesus told us how to disciple others and commanded that we make disciples baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit.
Have you ever read actually sat down and read the Bible or do you take your doctrine from another source (Ecumenical creeds, perhaps)?
1689Dave
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You reject scripture about baptism and side with the Catholics. BTW, Antichrist still remains in the temple of God through his false doctrines.
I actually accept Scripture about baptism.
I believe Jesus' words in Matthew 28 are true - we are to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit AND I believe baptism presented in Acts, baptizing in the name of Christ is true (they are saying the same thing).
I think you are wrong to accept one passage and deny another.
You have been led astray in doctrine by websites like the one you offered. Have you bothered to read the site? Look at the writers statements about the TR. The guy obviously has no biblical background or any clue about what he is writing about.
That is why we have to stick with Scripture - not some fool on the internet blabbing about doctrines he has never formally studied. Scripture is the authority for our faith.
1689Dave
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You reject the Apostle's final words on interpreting Matthew 28.
First of all Dave I disagree... If you Baptize in the name of Jesus only, you have robbed the Godhood... I baptize thee in the name of the Father... I know you believe God the Father gave all those elect to save to the Eternal Son... Right?... I baptize thee in the name of the Son... The Eternal Son had a name... Jesus... He had a name before Mary was told what his name was... Proverbs 30:4... His designation is Christ or the (Messiah), meaning “the anointed one"... Then last of all is the person of the Holy Ghost... the regenerator of the unregenerate... The quickener of the dead... The one who convicts us of sin against an offended Holy God... The three and one Godhead, elected us, gave us and saved us and without all three SALVATION IS IMPOSSIBLE!... Therefore I baptize thee... In the name of the FATHER... And of the SON... And of the HOLY GHOST!... TO GOD BE ALL THE GLORY!... Brother Glen
Btw... For clarification sake, in my Old Line Baptist Church I never heard Holy Spirit used in Baptism, only Holy Ghost!... Oh and speaking of the Holy Spirit, to those in the know... I GOT THE BOOK!
Did you mean to respond to my post or @1689Dave?
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