Name That Figure of Speech

[Rob_BW]

The footnotes should show right below the ten definitions.

Lol, I thought it was a hyperlink. I just can't get it right today.

 

[agedman]

Lol, I thought it was a hyperlink. I just can't get it right today.

Well, get a diet Dr Pepper to get you awake before you get started.

 

[agedman]

Psalm 23
1{A Psalm of David.} The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want.

2He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.

6Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.

Job 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

And your point is as related to the thread?

 

[agedman]

Do you happen to know if the Scriptures ever mix or blend the figures of speech to even being as a mixed metaphor?

I can’t think of any, but perhaps they are still written.

For those who might be wondering, mixing metaphors is typically used to bring humor.

For example, Rush Limbaugh once said (if I recall correctly), "I knew enough to realize that the alligators were in the swamp and that it was time to circle the wagons."

 

[JPPT1974]

Not a Rush but that was indeed a funny saying over alligators and swamp!

 

[Rob_BW]

Do you happen to know if the Scriptures ever mix or blend the figures of speech to even being as a mixed metaphor?

I can’t think of any, but perhaps they are still written.

For those who might be wondering, mixing metaphors is typically used to bring humor.

For example, Rush Limbaugh once said (if I recall correctly), "I knew enough to realize that the alligators were in the swamp and that it was time to circle the wagons."

Like Numbers 11:1a?

And it happened, the people were like those who complain of hardship in the hearing of Yahweh, and Yahweh became angry,

in the hearing is literally in the ears

became angry is literally His nose became hot

 

[SheepWhisperer]

And your point is as related to the thread?

Did I miss something? I thought "Lying down in green pastures" was figurative and not literal? No?
What about "laying a cornerstone" and "shutting up the sea with doors"?

 

[Martin Marprelate]

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to match the following verses to the possible figures of speech, which will be given in the following post.

What Jerome said, I think, though I struggled with No. 4.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

You make two errors here: (1) Assuming that because various references use "1000" as a figure of speech that all mentions of that word are ergo figures of speech. (That does not logically follow.)

Indeed it doesn't, but the fact that so many instances of 1,000 are used figuratively should cause one to ask why one particular instance is literal.

(2) You only mention one usage of the word "1000" in Rev. 20. The word occurs six times. That is not how figures of speech are used, but it is how the word "1000" would be used if it were literal--and it is.

I don't think this follows at all. There is no reason why it should. In fact 1,000 occurs 3 times in the Song of Solomon, (4:4; 8:11, 12), but I doubt that any of them are literal.

Having made these points I will not interrupt your thread again.

 

[John of Japan]

Indeed it doesn't, but the fact that so many instances of 1,000 are used figuratively should cause one to ask why one particular instance is literal.

I don't think this follows at all. There is no reason why it should. In fact 1,000 occurs 3 times in the Song of Solomon, (4:4; 8:11, 12), but I doubt that any of them are literal.

Yeah, Song of Solomon in two completely different chapters on three different subjects. Rev. 20: six times in only six verses. Not a good comparison.

Having made these points I will not interrupt your thread again.

Not a problem, since you are actually trying to prove something to be a figure of speech. I'd be happy if someone else commented on your theory.

 

[John of Japan]

Okay, several have taken the quiz, and we are now on p. 2, so I'll point out that Jerome had all the right answers. Kudos! Good job, Jerome.

If someone still wants to take the quiz, they can now just take it while avoiding Jerome's post.

 

[John of Japan]

Like Numbers 11:1a?

And it happened, the people were like those who complain of hardship in the hearing of Yahweh, and Yahweh became angry,

in the hearing is literally in the ears

became angry is literally His nose became hot

Those would be idioms and not metaphors.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

I preached on 2 Timothy 1:12 recently. It contains a litotes and an anacoluthon.
A litotes affirms something by denying the opposite: 'I am not ashamed,' meaning, 'I count it all joy!' (James 1:2).
An anacoluthon is an understatement: 'I am persuaded,' meaning, 'I am absolutely sure.'

 

[John of Japan]

I preached on 2 Timothy 1:12 recently. It contains a litotes and an anacoluthon.
A litotes affirms something by denying the opposite: 'I am not ashamed,' meaning, 'I count it all joy!' (James 1:2).
An anacoluthon is an understatement: 'I am persuaded,' meaning, 'I am absolutely sure.'

Excellent post for this thread. Thanks!

 

[Rob_BW]

Those would be idioms and not metaphors.

Definitely easier to find "mixed idioms" than "mixed metaphors."

 

[Covenanter]

Is this a figure of speech? If so what?

Jeremiah 33:17 “For thus says the LORD: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; 18 nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’”​

 

[John of Japan]

Is this a figure of speech? If so what?

Jeremiah 33:17 “For thus says the LORD: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; 18 nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’”​

Well, you'll have to tell me, because I see no standard figure of speech in there. Plus, you've given two whole verses, and a figure of speech only takes one (metaphor) to several (idiom) words, except for the parable (an extended metaphor).

 

[agedman]

Well, you'll have to tell me, because I see no standard figure of speech in there. Plus, you've given two whole verses, and a figure of speech only takes one (metaphor) to several (idiom) words, except for the parable (an extended metaphor).

Could not a parable also be a Simile or even others?

For example: "The kingdom of heaven is like a ..." (simile)

For example: "The one who has seen me has seen the Father..." (Anthropomorphism)

Would all cases in which a human physical item being used to describe God (hand, mouth, breath, eye, hair, ear) or sense (see, hear, taste, ...) be anthropomophisic ?

 

[John of Japan]

Could not a parable also be a Simile or even others?

For example: "The kingdom of heaven is like a ..." (simile)

Sure it could. I just used the phrase I had been taught.

For example: "The one who has seen me has seen the Father..." (Anthropomorphism)

I'll have to think about this one. It's unclear to me that Jesus meant this statement to be a figure of speech.

Would all cases in which a human physical item being used to describe God (hand, mouth, breath, eye, hair, ear) or sense (see, hear, taste, ...) be anthropomophisic ?

I would say yes. "God is a spirit," so any physical representation of the Father or Holy Spirit would have to be an anthropomorphism.

 

[Covenanter]

Is this a figure of speech? If so what?

Jeremiah 33:17 “For thus says the LORD: ‘David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; 18 nor shall the priests, the Levites, lack a man to offer burnt offerings before Me, to kindle grain offerings, and to sacrifice continually.’”​

Well, you'll have to tell me, because I see no standard figure of speech in there. Plus, you've given two whole verses, and a figure of speech only takes one (metaphor) to several (idiom) words, except for the parable (an extended metaphor).

The problem I am concerned with is the fact that that promise is of an eternal Davidic monarchy, & Levitical sacrificing priesthood.

At the time of the prophecy Zedekiah was king on David's throne, the temple was standing, & priests were functioning. The exile had begun, partially, & Jeremiah wrote to the exiles advising the 70 years. Soon after Jeremiah's prophecy, Jerusalem was destroyed, including the temple, & Zedekiah was captured & his sons slain.

When the prophesied return took place, Zerubbabel, the governor in David's line & his descendants never became king, & high priest Joshua didn't have a temple. And there were lots more prophecies, but "never lack a man" hasn't begun in 2,600 years, & no Levitical priest has offered a sacrifice in 1,950 years.

BUT - in the context, the prophecy focuses of the Messiah, the LORD Jesus Christ, King, Priest & Prophet. He is clearly the fulfilment of the prophecy by his saving work completed by his ascension to his heavenly throne.

However, you premils are waiting, waiting, waiting, while Israel continues in rejection of its Messiah. And when he does come, the prophesied eternal state which never ends will only last for a millennium at the end of which all hell breaks loose.

Seemingly "never" didn't begin in the Law dispensation & nor did "never" begin in the Church dispensation, despite the best efforts of the LORD Jesus Christ. And despite the re-establishment of the nation of Israel in the millennium, "never" will end, because there will no temple in the NH&NE.

Apply the topic -

The figure that speaks of a never ending Davidic monarchy;
& the figure that speaks of a continuing Levitical priesthood;
is typology or "pattern prophecy"
those offices are figures of the eternal ministry of the LORD Jesus Christ.

Have YOU an answer to the language of prophecy that promises a wonderful fulfilment that NEVER happens?