Negativism at Home Could Produce Defeat Of U.S. Policy in Iraq

Stop acting so skeptical Joseph. You are going to find yourself part of a diminishing minority very soon.

 

Your only news source must be someone like Al Franken. If you don't know the truth about what we are accomplishing in helping the Iraqi people, then I suggest you come out of the hole in the ground you are apparently living in with other other losers from last November's elections. </font>[/QUOTE]No, but I like how you guys keep trying to push all of these liberal sterotypes on anyone who disagrees with you. For the millionth time I am a conservative and a registered republican who voted for Bush. </font>[/QUOTE]For whom did you vote in 04?

Joseph Botwinick </font>[/QUOTE]Bush, both times. </font>[/QUOTE]Then, you, my friend, voted to continue the war in Iraq.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I think I said "where do I go to find all the facts that you conservatives are so privy to?"

 

Please stop rhetorically spitting in the faces of our troops!!!!

We are not in over our heads. You need to stop believing the liberal claptrap. </font>[/QUOTE]Ok, would you find Rumsfelds latest comments that this occupation could take up to 12 years to be in over our headS?

 

Which facts would you like to know about?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Which means the difference between me and you is that I can admit making a mistake.

 

Nope. The difference between you and me is that I don't believe we made a mistake. I have nothing to admit since I am not denying anything to myself.

Joseph Botwinick

 

It's only a matter of time till it dawns on you too bud.

 

My point is that we DON'T see pictures. The Administration has put a blackout on them. The Constitution and First Amendment Rights are goners.

There will be an Arab bloodbath in Iraq no matter if we pull out tomorrow or 12 years from now. True Islam and True Democracy are like mixing oil and water. They are opposites.

Only temporarily. When the Civil War happens in Iraq, all of our infrastructure endeavors will be of little consequence; they'll be destroyed.

Yes, we are teaching them well, supplying them with arms and equipment and technology, so they can:

a) Turn on us at some point in the future.
b) Invade Israel some day.

We were negotiating with terrorists in the heat of the battle - Fallujah, remember?

Yes, because they had to follow the orders of those same politicians - DOD and POTUS. They were ordered to take a hill or village, etc., and then give it back. It was a theme often repeated in the Vietnam War. You can Google to find out more of the mechanics. Ultimately, the politicians have too much authority over the military generals.

Yes, unfortunately the truth sometimes sounds pretty outlandish.

You must be unaware of how many illegal aliens have left their prayer rugs and Qurans on our southern border. You must be unaware how many jihadists live among us - those who perhaps entered legally on visas, but whose whereabouts are now unknown as they have blended in among us never to be found by Immigration again. Yes, the terrorists live among us. There are probably some attending your nearest University or mosque.

Absolutely. That is exactly what I keep thinking. How easy the deception will be! All someone has to do to get the Christian Evangelical vote is to give lip service and say the right key words and he/she gets undying support. Is the anti-Christ going to appear on the scene and announce that he is the anti-Christ? Doubtful. But what if he did? No one would believe him. He wins the deception either way.

And I am getting sick and tired of people like you rhetorically spitting in the face of our United States Constitution. The real losers are the American taxpayers who have elected such people who are bent on a One World Government.

Except they are not in our image. That is a pretense. We are tearing down and rebuilding hostile nations in the image of Islam. Shudder.

 

King James
FACT there are many foreigners who would do about anything to become an American and live in our beautiful country and receive an American education.

Travelsong
maybe you could tell us why you voted for President Bush? Please share with us anything positive you feel has come from Iraq and Afghanistan? Perhaps people would not assume you were a liberal if you did not echo their typical rhetoric venom.

 

Looks like I was right. No tips on where to go so that I could be "enlightened" to the stuff conservatives are privy to. Just as I figured.

Joseph...if you haven't made a mistake then why are you not demanding your President send troops to every place on the planet where terrorism is rampant? I think I know why. Cause there ain't no oil in them there parts right?

 

Enoch said: "King James
FACT there are many foreigners who would do about anything to become an American and live in our beautiful country and receive an American education."

I say: "FACT. You are opposed to them immigrating to. By the way, I don't care how many people want to live there. I may too...I just will not become a citizen. And I never said your country wasn't beautiful. In fact, I have said the opposite more than one time on this board. Not my fault you choose to ignore that FACT.

 

I would be happy to share whatever I have with you. Just let me know what it is you would like to know.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Here's a good place to start, KJ:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/

You will note, this is NOT the official mouthpiece for the current administration. This magazine, however, is based around politically conservative thought.

 

That's just it. It's not venom. I'm not filled with hatred for anything except this unjust war. There is absolutely no reason for us to be there.

I was optimistic that we would succeed. I was optimistic even after it became clear that there were no WMD's. Even after the motives for this war came into question I was optimistic.

At this point I realise that Bush didn't know what he was getting into. I think we should all be able to agree on that. I do not think we should be committing indefinite amounts of American lives to this endeavor. A line has got to be drawn. Unfortunately I fear we will have to wait until 2008.

 

King James you better watch out for LE if you come over to our beautiful country illegally. I also do not recall sharing my views on immigration with you. Maybe you could tell Joseph what exactly you are looking for concerning correct information.