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New Doctor Who

Thinkingstuff

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I've ordered season 3 I will wait for a 1/2 year before I get season 4. This show is great my family likes it and we watch it together. I like the serial feel to the show.
 

Matt Black

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Thinkingstuff said:
I found that one (episode) irritated me. Whats the deal with Rose being left in an alterante universe! I just found out they also have a spin off series called torchwood is that good?
Torchwood is rather more...ahem...adult. No explicit sex scenes but a lot of John Barrowman swanning around being gay.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Matt Black said:
Torchwood is rather more...ahem...adult. No explicit sex scenes but a lot of John Barrowman swanning around being gay.

That is a shame. England does seem to have a homosexuality issue with its culture and since the US is decended from England we do too. Well, I'm not watching it.
 

ccrobinson

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From a Doctor Who perspective, the only thing you really need to know about Torchwood is that Captain Jack is the leader. Anything else that you would need to know will be explained in S3.
 

Thinkingstuff

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ccrobinson said:
From a Doctor Who perspective, the only thing you really need to know about Torchwood is that Captain Jack is the leader. Anything else that you would need to know will be explained in S3.

The runaway bride episode had me laughing. Though I find the tension of the Doctor loosing Rose quite interesting. So far they make it seem as though the Doctor must have someone since he's lonely. And what I find interesting is the Doctor's obsession with Earth. Why? And Why only women? Though being male it is quite clear to me. Yet he's an Ancient Alien from a doomed ancient race. Why the interest in human females?
 

ccrobinson

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As far as loneliness, the Doctor never had this problem before the Great Time War. Now that there are no other Time Lords, he's lonely.

The runaway bride episode had me laughing.
I've said it before, but Catherine Tate was excellent in The Runaway Bride. I couldn't stand Donna Noble at the beginning, but, by the end, I wanted Donna to go with him.

So far they make it seem as though the Doctor must have someone since he's lonely. And what I find interesting is the Doctor's obsession with Earth. Why?
Well, there's a reason inside the show and a reason outside the show.

Outside the show, if the Doctor does something in the 37th century on some alien planet with aliens that nobody cares about, then nobody cares and nobody's watching. If, however, the Doctor is on modern day Earth dealing with an alien invasion, then people will watch.

Inside the show, the Doctor does have adventures on places other than Earth, but we don't see most of them on-screen, only in the various books that are written. In S3's Utopia, there is a statement made that the Doctor clearly agrees with that I think comes closest to explaining his interest in Earth.

And Why only women? Though being male it is quite clear to me. Yet he's an Ancient Alien from a doomed ancient race. Why the interest in human females?
Because he's heterosexual and girls are pretty. :)

Especially Martha Jones, his companion in S3.

The Doctor has spoken of being a father, and I think we have to assume that Gallifreyans, and thus, Time Lords, procreate the way humans do. For those who, lurkers and non-lurkers alike, know what Lungbarrow is, let me just say that I don't believe that book to be canon. If it's good enough for RTD to dismiss certain things as not being canon (half-human anyone?), so can I. :)
 

Thinkingstuff

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ccrobinson said:
As far as loneliness, the Doctor never had this problem before the Great Time War. Now that there are no other Time Lords, he's lonely.


I've said it before, but Catherine Tate was excellent in The Runaway Bride. I couldn't stand Donna Noble at the beginning, but, by the end, I wanted Donna to go with him.


Well, there's a reason inside the show and a reason outside the show.

Outside the show, if the Doctor does something in the 37th century on some alien planet with aliens that nobody cares about, then nobody cares and nobody's watching. If, however, the Doctor is on modern day Earth dealing with an alien invasion, then people will watch.

Inside the show, the Doctor does have adventures on places other than Earth, but we don't see most of them on-screen, only in the various books that are written. In S3's Utopia, there is a statement made that the Doctor clearly agrees with that I think comes closest to explaining his interest in Earth.


Because he's heterosexual and girls are pretty. :)

Especially Martha Jones, his companion in S3.

The Doctor has spoken of being a father, and I think we have to assume that Gallifreyans, and thus, Time Lords, procreate the way humans do. For those who, lurkers and non-lurkers alike, know what Lungbarrow is, let me just say that I don't believe that book to be canon. If it's good enough for RTD to dismiss certain things as not being canon (half-human anyone?), so can I. :)

I remember in undergrad I minored in bible and Theology. I had this friend who was studying to be a Pastor. We had this one theology class with a stuffy proffessor who recieved his Doctorate at Saint Andrews. He was explaining salvation and another student asked why it wasn't offered to angels and if other life forms existed on other planets would God save them as well. Well the short of it was that God's salvation was pertaining to humans alone. Well my friend asked "what about Mr. Spock? After all he's half human." I haven't laughed that hard in college classes since.
 

ccrobinson

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There's so many things I love about S3. One thing that I haven't mentioned in this thread is how things that we saw in the first 2 seasons came to fruition in S3, showing how much RTD planned these 3 seasons out.

1. Rose bringing Captain Jack to life at the end of Parting of the Ways. I always wondered why the Doctor abandoned Jack.

2. The Doctor losing his hand in the fight with the Sycorax in Christmas Invasion.

3. The Face of Boe promising a secret in New Earth and delivering it in Gridlock and realizing what it means in Utopia.

4. The sheer brilliance of Human Nature/Family of Blood, which is a fantastic story all by itself. I think HN/FoB is the best Doctor Who story ever, and one of the best things I've ever seen on television. Not only is HN/FoB fantastic, but the Chameleon Arch is introduced in such a way that if Utopia had been the first time we'd seen it, it would have been a cheap trick, a Deus Ex Machina device. By telling an entire story about it being used, it wasn't a cheap trick. Of course, HN/FoB also showed us The Fury of the Time Lord, which makes us consider the Doctor in a different light.

5. The cheap time trick in Smith and Jones wasn't a cheap time trick when the Master went back 18 months before the election, which would have been sometime in S2. The Master would have started influencing events leading to his election no later than Love&Monsters.

Here's an idea I had today. Maybe the reason the TARDIS went to the Age of Steel Universe was to avoid a collision with itself when it was taking the Master back to Earth after he stole it.

6. The brilliance of John Simm and the Master. The Master was written perfectly and Simm was a fantastic casting choice.



And what the deal with the face of Boe?

Captain Jack becomes The Face of Boe.

Don't mention this to Pete, btw. I think it left him :BangHead:.
 

Thinkingstuff

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ccrobinson said:
There's so many things I love about S3. One thing that I haven't mentioned in this thread is how things that we saw in the first 2 seasons came to fruition in S3, showing how much RTD planned these 3 seasons out.

1. Rose bringing Captain Jack to life at the end of Parting of the Ways. I always wondered why the Doctor abandoned Jack.

2. The Doctor losing his hand in the fight with the Sycorax in Christmas Invasion.

3. The Face of Boe promising a secret in New Earth and delivering it in Gridlock and realizing what it means in Utopia.

4. The sheer brilliance of Human Nature/Family of Blood, which is a fantastic story all by itself. I think HN/FoB is the best Doctor Who story ever, and one of the best things I've ever seen on television. Not only is HN/FoB fantastic, but the Chameleon Arch is introduced in such a way that if Utopia had been the first time we'd seen it, it would have been a cheap trick, a Deus Ex Machina device. By telling an entire story about it being used, it wasn't a cheap trick. Of course, HN/FoB also showed us The Fury of the Time Lord, which makes us consider the Doctor in a different light.

5. The cheap time trick in Smith and Jones wasn't a cheap time trick when the Master went back 18 months before the election, which would have been sometime in S2. The Master would have started influencing events leading to his election no later than Love&Monsters.

Here's an idea I had today. Maybe the reason the TARDIS went to the Age of Steel Universe was to avoid a collision with itself when it was taking the Master back to Earth after he stole it.

6. The brilliance of John Simm and the Master. The Master was written perfectly and Simm was a fantastic casting choice.





Captain Jack becomes The Face of Boe.

Don't mention this to Pete, btw. I think it left him :BangHead:.

Season three was pretty good. I've finished watching Season 4. Love the Agatha Christy one. Also I liked Donna. I'm sorry it ended that way for her. But as all the other seasons 4 leaves me with more questions.
 

ccrobinson

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I was poking around the thread to see what I'd written about S4 and I came across this from Matt.

Matt Black said:
there was nothing to rival Human Nature/Family of Blood in S4 and the finale to S4 just seemed like a fan's fantasy

QFT&CA.

If it weren't for the final 2 stories, I think I would like S4 much better. Also, I still think my idea for the S4 finale would have been a better story.
 

ccrobinson

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There is a fan theory that states that as Time Lords get older, each successive regeneration makes them look younger, but I think that theory is nonsense. I just think that the new Doctor Who team thinks that Matt Smith is the right guy.

I have my reservations about whether a younger actor will have the requisite skills to show the range for the role that Eccleston and Tennant had, but there's a reason that Steven Moffat and company are in show business and I'm not. :smilewinkgrin:
 

Matt Black

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I too am pretty dubious about the new guy (never even heard of him before) and would have much preferred Paterson Joseph (contestant on The Weakest Link in Bad Wolf, S1), but those more 'in the know' about such matters over here have no such reservations about young Master Smith, so I guess I should defer to their better judgment.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Matt Black said:
I too am pretty dubious about the new guy (never even heard of him before) and would have much preferred Paterson Joseph (contestant on The Weakest Link in Bad Wolf, S1), but those more 'in the know' about such matters over here have no such reservations about young Master Smith, so I guess I should defer to their better judgment.

Yes unless they put a piece of cellary on his coat.
 

ccrobinson

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I think most Who fans had no problem with 5 having celery on his coat. Peter Davison had some weak stories, but he was still pretty good, especially after following Tom Baker, who'd been in the role for 7 years.

Most Who fans have a real problem with Colin Baker's Doctor, the 6th, and his hideous coat and his smug, arrogant attitude, and his trying to kill Peri in his first story, not to mention his overall terrible stories. But, I think most of those fans understand that the problem isn't with Colin Baker, but with TPTB that wanted him to play the Doctor that way. I've heard more than once that his audio stories are very good and really showcase how good he could have been as the Doctor if he'd been allowed to play the part like he wanted to.

I don't think The Mighty Moff and company are going to take Doctor Who into the same sort of territory that killed the show in the mid 80s.
 

ccrobinson

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I have an answer for one of the most asked questions in this thread. Why did Eccleston leave the show after just 1 season?

I can't find it now, but on Skiffy there was a post that explained this. RTD, either in a Who Confidential or somewhere else, said that they didn't know whether there was going to be a 2nd season of Doctor Who or not, so they only signed Eccleston to a 1 year contract.

There you have it. One of life's greatest mysteries explained. :smilewinkgrin:
 

ccrobinson

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Not until 2010.

There will be 3 Doctor Who specials in 2009. I don't believe the dates have been announced, but the latest speculation I saw was they would be shown in April, August and Christmas.
 
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