New Era SBC President: a Mix of Reformed Baptist, Charismaticism

[Steven Yeadon]

I don't disrespect him but I do think that he is syncretistic, don't you? He doesn't need my money. Are you going to stay in the SBC?

For now, I will be open to going to SBC churches and contributing to SBC organizations. I will keep a careful watch, though, on things to come and I will pray.

And I would refer to him as liberal-leaning in certain areas, given my lack of understanding proper words for what I describe. I have another post that explains my concerns about the future of the SBC:

Is It Me or is the Milieu of the SBC Becoming more Liberal?

 

[church mouse guy]

For now, I will be open to going to SBC churches and contributing to SBC organizations. I will keep a careful watch, though, on things to come and I will pray.

And I would refer to him as liberal-leaning in certain areas, given my lack of understanding proper words for what I describe. I have another post that explains my concerns about the future of the SBC:

Is It Me or is the Milieu of the SBC Becoming more Liberal?

Yeah, I saw your post when you first wrote it. I am going to use the gospel of the checkbook to help the religious liberals see the light. I am going to be very stingy with them, especially about sending money to Nashville.

 

[Yeshua1]

For now, I will be open to going to SBC churches and contributing to SBC organizations. I will keep a careful watch, though, on things to come and I will pray.

And I would refer to him as liberal-leaning in certain areas, given my lack of understanding proper words for what I describe. I have another post that explains my concerns about the future of the SBC:

Is It Me or is the Milieu of the SBC Becoming more Liberal?

Should avoid any who is getting into Charasmatic Chaos, and especially if they also equate Allah and Yahweh as being same!

 

[Wingman68]

What will your church do? Mine has so many rich people that they will keep paying. What other denomination is there? I don't want to send any money to the progressives, do you?

I believe my church will remain in the fold. The pastor is young & very well educated, & as happens in the educational system, he is in agreement with the direction that has been occurring. He is a good man, but I cannot support the SJW mentality that we are seeing in the convention. The fact that they retained Russell Moore, fired PP quickly over something said what, 19 years ago, & then elected by a margin of 2 to 1, Greear, tells me it is not going to fulfill my desire to focus on the Lord, because there will always be the liberal way of feel good causes that will take precedence. I was hopeful before the convention, but seeing the voting results, I must step away. I don’t want to feel resentful or angry, & I most likely would if I stayed, & as you said I don’t want to financially support what I see as the path poorly chosen that they are taking.

 

[church mouse guy]

I believe my church will remain in the fold. The pastor is young & very well educated, & as happens in the educational system, he is in agreement with the direction that has been occurring. He is a good man, but I cannot support the SJW mentality that we are seeing in the convention. The fact that they retained Russell Moore, fired PP quickly over something said what, 19 years ago, & then elected by a margin of 2 to 1, Greear, tells me it is not going to fulfill my desire to focus on the Lord, because there will always be the liberal way of feel good causes that will take precedence. I was hopeful before the convention, but seeing the voting results, I must step away. I don’t want to feel resentful or angry, & I most likely would if I stayed, & as you said I don’t want to financially support what I see as the path poorly chosen that they are taking.

I remember when Richard Land had the ERLC and I saw him once in Indianapolis and I agree with you that Russell Moore should be fired or his job abolished. I think that the ERLC should be made a basement department of the North American Missions Board and staffed by a regular bureaucrat. I can't see that Moore could even get another job.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Calvinism+ charasmatic Chaos equals?

Is Greear a Calvinist or Arminianist (sp)?

 

[Yeshua1]

Is Greear a Calvinist or Arminianist (sp)?

Not sure, as most calvinists not into Charasmatic , or in seeing Allah and Yahweh as same God!

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Not sure, as most calvinists not into Charasmatic , or in seeing Allah and Yahweh as same God!

Agreed. This is why I can't figure it out. The former SBC president had a problem with calvinists. Oh well, as long as they know what they are doing to promote their convictions!!!

 

[Yeshua1]

Agreed. This is why I can't figure it out. The former SBC president had a problem with calvinists. Oh well, as long as they know what they are doing to promote their convictions!!!

Just seems to be someone who should not be in leadership!

 

[SheepWhisperer]

Being a member of a SBC, this is disturbing to me.

“Believing wrong things about God and worshiping him incorrectly doesn’t mean one is worshipping a different God” (p.59).

That's the most ignorant thing I've ever heard come out of a preacher's mouth.

The Pharisees believed THEY were worshipping God too, but they must not have been worshipping the right one because Jesus told them, "Ye neither know me, nor my Father:.........John 8:19". Why didn't they "know Him"? Because they had His character wrong......... "thou thoughtest that I (God)was altogether such an one as thyself:" Psalm 50:21
When ya "worship" like that, you are "changing God into an idol of your own making: and that is not who He is.

Rom 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Muslims don't know God, and [Personal attacked edited].

 

[Yeshua1]

Either we take the newly elected SBC Pastor to have the truth on this, or we accept Jesus as the truth, as he denies that Allah is His Father!

 

[church mouse guy]

Just seems to be someone who should not be in leadership!

I never like preachers who are dumb dogs and don't know it. I never understood how he got his thesis approved since he does not seem to have heard of another Jesus who is a counterfeit.

 

[Rob_BW]

I never like preachers who are dumb dogs and don't know it. I never understood how he got his thesis approved since he does not seem to have heard of another Jesus who is a counterfeit.

Ask his doctoral adviser: Paige Patterson.

 

[The Archangel]

I'm wondering how many of you read Greer's book... or is it that you just read the blurb posted in the link published in the OP?

I haven't read his book, but neither have I commented on its content.

The Archangel

 

[Jerome]

his doctoral adviser: Paige Patterson.

Recall that Paige Patterson had to apologize several years ago to SBC messengers at the annual meeting, when it was revealed that he had violated school policy and admitted a Muslim student at Southwestern:

Baptist Press (2014) - Policy violation may stir bylaw change, SWBTS trustees say

An investigation prompted by Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary President Paige Patterson's decision to admit a Muslim....could trigger a bylaw change....Patterson apologized to the Southern Baptist Convention in June for making an exception to the school's admissions policy, which requires a profession of faith...."I made an exception to the rule that I assumed, probably wrongly, that the president has a right to make if he feels it is important," Patterson told messengers....The student...has since withdrawn from the program in the wake of the controversy.

Paige Patterson left Southeastern in 2003 to take the Presidency at Southwestern Seminary.

Greear's 2003 dissertation at Southeastern is on how the Theosis understanding of salvation would be more appealing to potential converts from Islam:

J.D. Greear, "Theosis and Muslim evangelism: How the recovery of a patristic understanding of salvation can aid evangelical missionaries in the evangelization of Islamic peoples" - ProQuest


Recapitulation theory of atonement - Wikipedia

"Irenaeus is considered to be the first to clearly express a recapitulation view of the atonement....For Irenaeus, the ultimate goal of Christ's work of solidarity with humankind is to make humankind divine. Of Jesus he says, he 'became what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself'. This idea has been most influential in the Christian East, particularly within the Orthodox Church, having been taken on by many other Church Fathers, such as Ss. Athanasius, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, and Maximus the Confessor. This Eastern Orthodox theological development out of the recapitulation view of the atonement is called theosis ('deification')."

 

[church mouse guy]

Recall that Paige Patterson had to apologize several years ago to SBC messengers at the annual meeting, when it was revealed that he had violated school policy and admitted a Muslim student at Southwestern:

Baptist Press (2014) - Policy violation may stir bylaw change, SWBTS trustees say
Paige Patterson left Southeastern in 2003 to take the Presidency at Southwestern Seminary.

Greear's 2003 dissertation at Southeastern is on how the Theosis understanding of salvation would be more appealing to potential converts from Islam:

J.D. Greear, "Theosis and Muslim evangelism: How the recovery of a patristic understanding of salvation can aid evangelical missionaries in the evangelization of Islamic peoples" - ProQuest


Recapitulation theory of atonement - Wikipedia

"Irenaeus is considered to be the first to clearly express a recapitulation view of the atonement....For Irenaeus, the ultimate goal of Christ's work of solidarity with humankind is to make humankind divine. Of Jesus he says, he 'became what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself'. This idea has been most influential in the Christian East, particularly within the Orthodox Church, having been taken on by many other Church Fathers, such as Ss. Athanasius, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, and Maximus the Confessor. This Eastern Orthodox theological development out of the recapitulation view of the atonement is called theosis ('deification')."

Thanks for your work on this issue! It seems that we are not going to hear much more about this 2003 thesis, which is syncretistic in my mind. As for Patterson, he got thrown under the bus. A trustee at Southwestern said that they could not bar a prison inmate (Because the program is housed in a state facility, "we cannot bar anyone from whatever faith they may come from attending," he said, adding that the Southwestern population at Darrington is diverse.) I wonder if Russell Moore can hang on when so many consider him to be unfit? I doubt also that we will ever get a clear statement of Summit Church soteriology.

 

[Rob_BW]

Recall that Paige Patterson had to apologize several years ago to SBC messengers at the annual meeting, when it was revealed that he had violated school policy and admitted a Muslim student at Southwestern:

Baptist Press (2014) - Policy violation may stir bylaw change, SWBTS trustees say
Paige Patterson left Southeastern in 2003 to take the Presidency at Southwestern Seminary.

Greear's 2003 dissertation at Southeastern is on how the Theosis understanding of salvation would be more appealing to potential converts from Islam:

J.D. Greear, "Theosis and Muslim evangelism: How the recovery of a patristic understanding of salvation can aid evangelical missionaries in the evangelization of Islamic peoples" - ProQuest


Recapitulation theory of atonement - Wikipedia

"Irenaeus is considered to be the first to clearly express a recapitulation view of the atonement....For Irenaeus, the ultimate goal of Christ's work of solidarity with humankind is to make humankind divine. Of Jesus he says, he 'became what we are, that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself'. This idea has been most influential in the Christian East, particularly within the Orthodox Church, having been taken on by many other Church Fathers, such as Ss. Athanasius, Gregory of Nazianzus, Augustine, and Maximus the Confessor. This Eastern Orthodox theological development out of the recapitulation view of the atonement is called theosis ('deification')."

Thanks Jerome. I had been trying to track down that dissertation, but google kept sending me to an MA thesis on some Greek linguistical topic by a different Greear at the University of Lund.

 

[Wingman68]

I'm wondering how many of you read Greer's book... or is it that you just read the blurb posted in the link published in the OP?

I haven't read his book, but neither have I commented on its content.

The Archangel

Everyone has seen the excerpts from the book. Everyone has seen his verbatim comments from interviews. Do we need further context? We didn’t get further context about the firing of Patterson. The same people who went after Roy Moore are using the same tactics & getting the same results. The SBC just got rolled.

 

[Revmitchell]

Is Greear a Calvinist or Arminianist (sp)?

He is a cal

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm wondering how many of you read Greer's book... or is it that you just read the blurb posted in the link published in the OP?

I haven't read his book, but neither have I commented on its content.

The Archangel

He does seems to feel that the Muslims are indeed worshiping the same God as we are, but are ignorant of Him and Jesus!